Question - Jason Voorhees Why Does Jason Need Nerfs?

[ForeverKing]

Jason doesn't need nerfs at all

In my opinion, the only characters that "need" nerfs are characters that are obviously overpowered and dominating the tournament scene. The only characters that fit that description are Alien Mileena Sonya and Takeda. I don't even think Jason is top 10.

Besides, even if Jason was top tier that would be completely fine. Jason is a hype character. Would you rather crowd pleaser like Jason be dominating tournaments or a resident sleeper like Alien dominating tournaments? Hype characters should NEVER get nerfed in my opinion, you want the game to look as great as possible to the public. Let every inch of hype stay

 

[MadeOfMetal]

Jason doesn't need nerfs at all

In my opinion, the only characters that "need" nerfs are characters that are obviously overpowered and dominating the tournament scene. The only characters that fit that description are Alien Mileena Sonya and Takeda. I don't even think Jason is top 10.

Besides, even if Jason was top tier that would be completely fine. Jason is a hype character. Would you rather crowd pleaser like Jason be dominating tournaments or a resident sleeper like Alien dominating tournaments? Hype characters should NEVER get nerfed in my opinion, you want the game to look as great as possible to the public. Let every inch of hype stay

Finnally some bit of reason. i was like i fell in loopy land here in TYM, im like why are people wanting Jason nerfs? lol he isnt even remotely close to broken!

 

[Tweedy]

Tbh King is a top player and all but there's a reason only Madeofmetal has liked his post so far.

The only difference between Jason and Alien, as far as hype goes, is how good Alien is. If Alien were a day 1 shitter that so many people wanted buffs for, and Jason were this ugly guest character winning tournament after tournament, the roles would be reversed.

Top characters are resident sleeper characters. It has nothing to do with their playstyles. Demo is resident sleeper and her design is dope. Mileena is neutral heavy.

 

[CrazyFingers]

Tbh King is a top player and all but there's a reason only Madeofmetal has liked his post so far.

The only difference between Jason and Alien, as far as hype goes, is how good Alien is. If Alien were a day 1 shitter that so many people wanted buffs for, and Jason were this ugly guest character winning tournament after tournament, the roles would be reversed.

Top characters are resident sleeper characters. It has nothing to do with their playstyles. Demo is resident sleeper and her design is dope. Mileena is neutral heavy.

True but if Jason is top tier in his current state after patch, aren't we playing a better game?

 

[Tweedy]

True but if Jason is top tier in his current state after patch, aren't we playing a better game?

Idk, he has a -2 D1, a big leg that recovers as quickly as Mileena's mid(that's unbalanced as well), a buff that he can activate meterlessly or with meter and guarantee pressure, that breaks armor and adds loads of damage. Also his command grab that has less than 20 frames of recovery.

When tiers shift people tend to forget about what there was before. The new top characters become the new gross omg characters. Jason definitely has some stuff that people will complain about.

 

[CrazyFingers]

Idk, he has a -2 D1, a big leg that recovers as quickly as Mileena's mid(that's unbalanced as well), a buff that he can activate meterlessly or with meter and guarantee pressure, that breaks armor and adds loads of damage. Also his command grab that has less than 20 frames of recovery.

When tiers shift people tend to forget about what there was before. The new top characters become the new gross omg characters. Jason definitely has some stuff that people will complain about.

To be fair, they complain about it already, tho I haven't heard people complain about F3 (it does recover a stupid amount) I guess most players aren't using it. I use it A LOT in conjunction with F44. Who says Jason has no mix?

 

[thlityoursloat]

Just nerf his d1, I like how his command grabs have no recovery - makes up for how shitty command grabs in general in this game are.

 

[CrazyFingers]

Just nerf his d1, I like how his command grabs have no recovery - makes up for how shitty command grabs in general in this game are.

They're not that bad

 

[hkriderz]

Just nerf his d1, I like how his command grabs have no recovery - makes up for how shitty command grabs in general in this game are.

Command grabs are shitty in this game? What??

 

[CrazyFingers]

Command grabs are shitty in this game? What??

*shrug*

 

[thlityoursloat]

Command grabs are shitty in this game? What??

Serious whiffing issues, if you played Commando you'd know what I meant since he's the only grappler in the game that actually relies on his command grabs for mixups.

 

[MadeOfMetal]

i can see where people are saying Jason's D1 is a little to hard to counterpoke on reaction its almost as iff you have to be reading it to actually counter poke it, or have mad reactions that step into the future. but other than that maybe adding 2 frames on block i don't think will hurt Jason in anyway tier wise, he wil still be just as good as always, and im my view if you rely on this tool to get the tick throw out, then you need to work on your game and not relay on free ways to get shit out.


honestly real talk how could adding 2 frames to these -2 on block 6 frame moves hurt anything?

i actually was one of the defenders, but after conducting propper testing i found that actually it can not be blocked on true reaction without mad fucking ESP. or a Read.

What do you think @CrazyFingers and @Tanno

 

[CrazyFingers]

Serious whiffing issues, if you played Commando you'd know what I meant since he's the only grappler in the game that actually relies on his command grabs for mixups.

Have you played or even heard of Sun God?

 

[CrazyFingers]

i can see where people are saying Jason's D1 is a little to hard to counterpoke on reaction its almost as iff you have to be reading it to actually counter poke it, or have mad reactions that step into the future. but other than that maybe adding 2 frames on block i don't think will hurt Jason in anyway tier wise, he wil still be just as good as always, and im my view if you rely on this tool to get the tick throw out, then you need to work on your game and not relay on free ways to get shit out.


honestly real talk how could adding 2 frames to these -2 on block 6 frame moves hurt anything?

i actually was one of the defenders, but after conducting propper testing i found that actually it can not be blocked on true reaction without mad fucking ESP. or a Read.

What do you think @CrazyFingers and @Tanno

As I've said multiple times, I don't really care if you add 2 or even 3 frames to the move. It's an important button but people who are having it as the basis of what they do kind of give the character a bad name. I understand abusing it but when you have people doing 70% D1 in games and SOME HOW getting away with it, you make Jason players look like a bunch of lobotomy patients.

 

[MadeOfMetal]

Have you played or even heard of Sun God?

yeah but like all tick trows esp, sun god you can NJP that shit for full combo punish.

 

[Second Saint]

i can see where people are saying Jason's D1 is a little to hard to counterpoke on reaction its almost as iff you have to be reading it to actually counter poke it, or have mad reactions that step into the future. but other than that maybe adding 2 frames on block i don't think will hurt Jason in anyway tier wise, he wil still be just as good as always, and im my view if you rely on this tool to get the tick throw out, then you need to work on your game and not relay on free ways to get shit out.


honestly real talk how could adding 2 frames to these -2 on block 6 frame moves hurt anything?

i actually was one of the defenders, but after conducting propper testing i found that actually it can not be blocked on true reaction without mad fucking ESP. or a Read.

What do you think @CrazyFingers and @Tanno

You know it's the only one right? You keep talking about "these" 6f -2 d1's, as in plural. There is only one that presents this issue, said issue never being about the difficulty of counter poking, but the impossibility of counter poking for certain characters. As in, literally cannot be done, reactions having nothing to do with it.

 

[CrazyFingers]

And I mean the botched ones, not the ones that actually had it be helpful somehow (that actually happened, look it up it's interesting)

 

[MadeOfMetal]

You know it's the only one right? You keep talking about "these" 6f -2 d1's, as in plural. There is only one that presents this issue, said issue never being about the difficulty of counter poking, but the impossibility of counter poking for certain characters. As in, literally cannot be done, reactions having nothing to do with it.

wait are you saying you cant poke on reaction to jason or all characters to be clear?

 

[CrazyFingers]

yeah but like all tick trows esp, sun god you can NJP that shit for full combo punish.

Well yea but he was saying Commando is the only grappler who uses command grabs for mixups. Sun God does that.

 

[MadeOfMetal]

Well yea but he was saying Commando is the only grappler who uses command grabs for mixups. Sun God does that.

thats a fair point there is sun god.

 

[Second Saint]

wait are you saying you cant poke on reaction to jason or all characters to be clear?

I am saying, mathematically, that Liu Kang, Sub Zero, and Tremor have no possible way to counter poke jason's d1. Reactions have nothing to do with it for these 3 characters. If they are frame perfect, they will still lose.

 

[CrazyFingers]

Speaking if grapplers. Why are all the grappler variations yellow? Sun God. Commando. Brawler has yellow gloves. Seriously? Why?

 

[MadeOfMetal]

I am saying, mathematically, that Liu Kang, Sub Zero, and Tremor have no possible way to counter poke jason's d1. Reactions have nothing to do with it for these 3 characters. If they are frame perfect, they will still lose.

well technically i don't think any character can on reaction counterpoke jasons -2 poke. but to each their own.

 

[CrazyFingers]

ALSO! I am realizing that people in this thread who are agreeing with each other are fighting about the EXACT thing they're agreeing on. Stop that.

 

[MadeOfMetal]

Speaking if grapplers. Why are all the grappler variations yellow? Sun God. Commando. Brawler has yellow gloves. Seriously? Why?

lol you have something there.