Drone is way different than needing meter, since drone has such fast start up.
If she's top 5 you're saying she's better than one of these. Acidic demo tarkatan shirai ryu cutthroat piercing alist.
How does it not guarantee a 50/50 or pressure? If you block the puddle then D'vorah is at +22, her overhead is 15 frames, her low is 11 frames, her f1 is 12 frames so all of this jails if you block the puddle. I am talking about after being knocked down specifically, I know you can jump out of it from midscreen.
1) most raw armor beats anything she presses.
at best it's a pseudo vortex. Explained why above
It's pretty much as bad as it sounds. It gives D'Vorah a meterless vortex in the corner.
No, you're using her setups wrong.
Shinnok's plus frames aren't good because they require meter.
Thats very controversial, just check a couple of the 80 tier list we have here on tym. Some have her top 5, some have her top 10. And to be fair i would have her better then a list and shirai ryu. Just my opinion.
Once again I'm talking about if you block the puddle. I know there are options around that with delayed wakeup but it's all reads like I've already said in this thread.
I didn't say anything isn't good.
Her jip1 is actually dumb tho and one whiff or mistake leads to 41% and almost full screen corner carry which is almost GG. Really tho I think she's actually ok kinda maybe make b1 -20 on block. But on topic 50/50's in this game are so disgusting because it's hard to sit there and think that you really got outplayed by a demo Sonya doing a free af jip1 into a jailing 50/50 and having to guess after guessing right.
You delay wakeup...... take this mixup.
Still keeps her at 6th lol but yeah I see your point
Exactly, if you delay wakeup then you have to hold her mixup anyway, if you try to jump you'll most likely get hit anyway. If you try to armour wake up or armour after standing from a delayed wakeup she can just bait it and punish it and straight back into the blender we go. She can choose to do her armour break if she thinks you're going to wakeup with armour. You have make all the right reads, it is definitely not easy.
"People need to stop saying Lao has the best anti airs btw. He has low tier anti airs." - Tweedy
Lao's ex spin is THE BEST armoured anti-air. There is no other move in the game that will catch dive kicks, altered jump arcs, jump kicks, cross overs (essentially every single aerial situation in the game bar Takeda ex flip) and convert to full combo. Sure, Jax and Johnny can time dash punch and nutpunch (also note time; there really is no timing with Lao's) but these fail with moves that alter jump arc, jump ins like sub zeros and several cross up situations.Tweedy said:
Either you forgot the
or this is downplaying to a whole other level smh. It doesn't even need to be explained why this character isn't "fair"
This isn't free. She can't cover the option of delay wake up and instant get up with a mix up. Watch destroyer vs honey bee. When bee blocks to cover delay wake up and armor destroyer straight up just pokes. My point is this is not a free vortex it's a set up that rapes people who don't know the match up but leaves you a lot more options than just hold this 50/50
I dont understand what your saying still puts her at 6th....
Umm who died and made her 50/50 plus and the second part is just my opinion but what top tier is more fair. Considering that they're saying she's top 5 who else is in that category and is more fairEither you forgot the
You delay wake up your taking mix up.i wont argue this with you its litterally basic mkx knowledge.
Sorry wrong choice of words I meant 50/50 as in overhead low
Even if you think she's better than shirai ryu and alist. There's still 5 more people I mentioned that you don't think she's better than
Yeah but who said i didnt?? I just quoted the characters YOU mentionted.
