Customize folks with gear and lootcrates? NRS has a base tourney mode for us confirmed.

[Juggs]

I absolutely love this part of the NRS cycle. Where people get the smallest bit of information, and already determine whether it's a good or bad idea.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not talking about speculation. I'm talking about the plebs who are definitively saying whether or not this is a good idea or will ruin the game. Guys, relax, take a xanax or something.

 

[Solomon Gorondy]

If the loot effects anything but cosmetics it should be banned. Nobody should be forced to waste their life away unlocking items just to compete on an even playing field. I thought we as a community were trying to promote fighting games as a competitive sport. To allow this nonsense in tournament is the opposite of legitimate competition, even if they were to unlock all loot for tournaments it wouldn't be fair. With any luck this loot will not add new moves to a characters tool-set if so we are goin to have real issues promoting this game as an E-sport.

 

[Eric The Scruffy]

One seriously good thing that could result from this though:

Microtransactions and additional gear items up for grabs potentially equals the kind of long term support we've always dreamed of.

Ask yourself this: if they do microtransactions for all these items in the casual online mode but it means that they're still supporting the game after the first year in the offline tournament mode....isn't that a fair trade?

 

[KingHippo]

I have no doubt that customizations are a very big deal; I'm positive Tekken's lasting popularity despite not drastically changing up its graphics or gameplay engine is pretty much all to do with how customizable and personable it is. Soul Calibur IV also had this.

And I'm sure, like Tekken and Soul Calibur, there are modes exclusive to these features and are available cosmetically in offline versus without the special abilities. Everyone wants to talk Vanilla SFxT gems but no one wants to bring up the good examples (Tekken Tag 2 for Wii-U, Soul Calibur IV, SFxT v.2013 pre set loadouts).

 

[big j gleez]

This reminds me of MUT in Madden. Basically you open packs of cards based off of coins or loot collected. The cards are actual players on your team.

This is a type of pay to play. I hope they do not go that route. This killed competitive madden.

Now tournaments in this game mode are played online only. Even at live events, they are forced to play online.

In short, it sucks.

I hope this isn't the type of model they are going with for this game. I honestly don't want to have to grind like it is an RPG and/or pay money to make my character viable.

 

[shaowebb]

I absolutely love this part of the NRS cycle. Where people get the smallest bit of information, and already determine whether it's a good or bad idea.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not talking about speculation. I'm talking about the plebs who are definitively saying whether or not this is a good idea or will ruin the game. Guys, relax, take a xanax or something.

Heh. Put me in coach. Like I said NRS has my sword if it wants it to help with Injustice.

 

[God Confirm]

it's "funner" to assume the worst about the guys who've been working their hardest to be friends with us for the last 10 years.

Really? It took them 5 years just to implement online connectibility and another 5 years to bother to make it playable

Most their games became borderline abandonware after a couple of patches, leaving wild imbalances for the tournament scene, with the PC release of MKX becoming ACTUAL abandonware after just half a year and leaving it in an unplayable state and a complete waste of money for any tournament player

Add to that an almost non-existent contribution to the tournament scene, these guys are billionaires and they donate like a couple thousand dollars towards a pot and shit. Meanwhile, actual eSports are having multi million dollar prize pool. This one isn't worth harking over, because anything's better than nothing, but:

I think it's a bit of a massive over statement to say "they have been working their hardest" haha



this could go either way. This might be a P2W style feature added to milk money off the whales where the real profit is at, and telling the tourney scene to go eat a dick. Or maybe it's implemented excellently in a way that makes everyone happy. Nobody knows, but its certainly not outlandish to speculate either way

 

[haketh]

Man I'm gonna be bodied

I am fucking addicted to Gatcha lmao. Takes everything I got to not dump money into Granblue for 10 rolls or spend my crystals on 10 rolls until special gatcha rates are up.

 

[shaowebb]

Man I'm gonna be bodied

I am fucking addicted to Gatcha lmao. Takes everything I got to not dump money into Granblue for 10 rolls or spend my crystals on 10 rolls until special gatcha rates are up.

Well, so far no mention of microtransactions are being said. Just lootcrates and random drops everytime you play. So your wallet is safe for now.

 

[Doombawkz]

Man I'm gonna be bodied

I am fucking addicted to Gatcha lmao. Takes everything I got to not dump money into Granblue for 10 rolls or spend my crystals on 10 rolls until special gatcha rates are up.

I always bank for the special. Thats just me though.

 

[trufenix]

Actually yes, what you say is true. Despite equal equipment, the players themselves create the inequality.

I admire your commitment to logicing through it, and even your willing ness to debate with ole' whats his face about its relevance, but the reality is a zero sum balance cannot exist in a game (or any concept) without turns and nobody wants to play a turn based fighter.

There's a reason that (despite many game theorists desire to incorporate it into modern game design) actual Chess and Checkers are conspicuously absent from modern gaming.

 

[Doombawkz]

I admire your commitment to logicing through it, and even your willing ness to debate with ole' whats his face about its relevance, but the reality is a zero sum balance cannot exist in a game (or any concept) without turns and nobody wants to play a turn based fighter.

There's a reason that (despite many game theorists desire to incorporate it into modern game design) actual Chess and Checkers are conspicuously absent from modern gaming.

I agree, however I'm in the camp that believes that there is no such thing as a truly zero-sum game as even in turn-based games, the player who gets to make the first move is statistically proven to win more often.

Otherwise I'm aware that zero-sum can't exist in the form we are discussing. As I said in my previous posts, even in the first sentence "Picking Zod vs Lex" being an 8-2 proved my point. The fact that such a dynamic exists means zero-sum isn't in play. But yay for logicing it out.

 

[shaowebb]

I wonder if you will be able to break or knock off gear in matches?
We really really need more info on this gameplay element.

 

[trufenix]

I agree, however I'm in the camp that believes that there is no such thing as a truly zero-sum game as even in turn-based games, the player who gets to make the first move is statistically proven to win more often.

Not that its relevant to I2, but do you feel that a coin toss (or any random deciding factor) makes the p1/p2 advantage scenario zero-sum or do you truly believe it to be impossible?

 

[Doombawkz]

If I had to guess, maybe you engage gear when you go into the second round.
After all, we only really saw gear come out after characters got a beatdown. Maybe its the new clash where instead of wagering meter, you get a limited time buff.

Ala X-factor in MVC3

 

[Doombawkz]

Not that its relevant to I2, but do you feel that a coin toss (or any random deciding factor) makes the p1/p2 advantage scenario zero-sum or do you truly believe it to be impossible?

There is a LOT of theory behind that ideal, stuff about superpositions in frame of time, and statistics in regards to action vs possibility.
However, in the cases where something is truly random and has a truly equal chance of selecting any individual, with each win being a mutual event to a loss (meaning no ties, coin landing on its side type stuff) and each win and loss being truly equal in value, with the result being determined outside of interaction, then that would qualify as a zero-sum to me.

So say if a computer did a coin flip or RNG and decided that way, then that would probably be a truly zero-sum, provided again that the only end result is simply "win or lose" and has no bearing or importance to anyone or anything.

tl;dr, the only zero-sum, in my opinion, is something that cannot result in a "win or loss". It has to literally involve no one, have nothing to gain or lose, even if it is truly random and equal.

 

[trufenix]

I wonder if you will be able to break or knock off gear in matches?
We really really need more info on this gameplay element.

Aesthetically I'm sure but even I'm not liberal enough to think they'd go there gameplay wise.

 

[roosTakk]

My guess is they are trying to introduce a micro economy like in TF2, CSGO, ect..

If it affects the gameplay on more than a cosmetic level, (which is seems it will) it's going to be ass for competitive play. NRS is making this game for casual players, but you cant really blame them. Dolla dolla bills

 

[Youphemism]

Yeah, but that will almost certainly be limited to a specific mode for casual play.

How can you be sure? We don't know anything about it yet, and they haven't included a tournament mode for any game so far. All the modes are usually casual modes lol

 

[shaowebb]

Yeah, its all pretty hazy right now. Thus the non judgmental thread meant for us to ask questions, debate pros/cons of various avenues gear could take and sort of feel out what our hopes and fears are here.

Main thing folks got to remember at this point is that we got to know SOMETHING before we start acting like we know everything lol.

We got nothing yet so we have no idea how this is implemented or how it effects us all yet. All I know is if they get this to work in a suitable way for both casuals and FGC I am mad hype for it. 1000s of pieces of gear to unlock just for outfits is kickass enough but it doing stuff in other modes like in an RPG or a Heroes and Heralds style mode is incredible. I love the idea of messing around with this...just so long as I still have a base meta to learn and compete with.

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[Marinjuana]

Here's hoping the gear doesn't prevent them from adding costumes galore.

 

[shaowebb]

Here's hoping the gear doesn't prevent them from adding costumes galore.

Now thats an interesting situation we find ourselves in right there. Gear lets you customize your look. Will this mean they stop including premade outfits like that awesome Cyborg Superman, Jon Stewart Green Lantern or Bald Adam stuff they did before? Be neat if they still added new outfits and you could just customize any of them with gear.

 

[RoboCop]

How can you be sure? We don't know anything about it yet, and they haven't included a tournament mode for any game so far. All the modes are usually casual modes lol

I mean, I obviously can't say for sure, but anything else would be so monumentally absurd that I refuse to believe NRS would make such a mistake. Yeah, they've flubbed some things in the past, but that would be the end of their tournament life.

 

[Jynks]

The "gear system" seams like a logical evolution of the variation system. Were you have custom "builds" of the characters, adding special moves and maybe even changed normals.

I do not see a problem here really, as long as the provide a unlock all DLC that the event organizers can put on the systems then players can just set their loadouts at the same time they set their buttons. Then the same MKx event rules regarding characters and variations apply.

 

[aldazo]

I mean, I obviously can't say for sure, but anything else would be so monumentally absurd that I refuse to believe NRS would make such a mistake. Yeah, they've flubbed some things in the past, but that would be the end of their tournament life.

I don't know man, I really think the Gears will be the standard feature for all modes, like variations did. Anyway if the community doesn't like the Gears just ban them, so people are forced to play with default barebones chars. The issue that could arise is if the balance spin around the Gears themselves, in that case then it could be a problem.