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Discussion The 'Best to Worst' Variations For Each Character [5/22/16]

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SwegZero

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You're seriously implying that a player picking a variation is a reason for it being the best? That's absurd.
No, it's a joke, but it's not at the same time. He has reasons, reasons that I'm too lazy to look in to. I'll just agree with the best.
 

xKhaoTik

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If Brawler was the best, then why doesn't Fox use it? I thought he generally used the best variation in his mind, unless you count salt. Hollywood is better imo. I'm not even close to good, so you should argue with a good Cassie player because she's just a side character for me.
Fox does use it. He used it against me a couple days ago.
 

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Man of Tomorrow
Hollywood is the most damaging if you count a 50/50 after nutkracker. And 38% is pretty average for midscreen, if Brawler is about damage. And you can armor out of the set ups, and I get that you can after nutkracker, but she has the ability to block after while Spec Ops has recovery on the set up, so there's that. Not saying Spec Ops is bad, but I wouldn't break a hard knockdown or a full combo since Spec Ops gets little damage without the set up, then you'd have bar, unless you you wasted it all. But damage will give you the bar you want.

Why would I count that? Why would you count potential damage? Potentially Spec Ops can do 55~ percent if the opponent guesses wrong and that's midscreen meterless. That's a weird metric to include when discussing who has better damage: "oh, but if they guess wrong then her damage is HUGE". Average for some of the cast and almost 10 percent higher than her other variations. Yes, you can armor through setups, you can armor through Sonya's B14 but how many times does it happen? Spec Ops can absolutely block after a setup, I do it all the time instead of going for a hard to blockable/armor break setup and just let the opponent punish themselves. If you don't break in the corner against Spec Ops then you're opening yourself up to hard to blockables that are 40+ percent metered or meterless into more hard to blockables. Oh, and don't try and delay wakeup as 112 and B212D2+4 forces quickstands.



If Brawler was the best, then why doesn't Fox use it? I thought he generally used the best variation in his mind, unless you count salt. Hollywood is better imo. I'm not even close to good, so you should argue with a good Cassie player because she's just a side character for me.
Brawler is HORRENDOUS long range. Brawler is the best up close but has problems getting in. Sonicfox uses what he wants: he plays Shotgun Jacqui when he plays that character, he plays acidic even though there's no definitive best variation, he played Batgirl (not Aquaman or MMH), he played Mileena/Sonya (not Kabal/Kenshi). It could be personal preference, it could be what he believes is the best, it could be anything, it's a question best posed to him.
 

SwegZero

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Why would I count that? Why would you count potential damage? Potentially Spec Ops can do 55~ percent if the opponent guesses wrong and that's midscreen meterless. That's a weird metric to include when discussing who has better damage: "oh, but if they guess wrong then her damage is HUGE". Average for some of the cast and almost 10 percent higher than her other variations. Yes, you can armor through setups, you can armor through Sonya's B14 but how many times does it happen? Spec Ops can absolutely block after a setup, I do it all the time instead of going for a hard to blockable/armor break setup and just let the opponent punish themselves. If you don't break in the corner against Spec Ops then you're opening yourself up to hard to blockables that are 40+ percent metered or meterless into more hard to blockables. Oh, and don't try and delay wakeup as 112 and B212D2+4 forces quickstands.





Brawler is HORRENDOUS long range. Brawler is the best up close but has problems getting in. Sonicfox uses what he wants: he plays Shotgun Jacqui when he plays that character, he plays acidic even though there's no definitive best variation, he played Batgirl (not Aquaman or MMH), he played Mileena/Sonya (not Kabal/Kenshi). It could be personal preference, it could be what he believes is the best, it could be anything, it's a question best posed to him.
Yeah, and I'll just go with what he says.
 

STB Damashi

SmallBurntEarths
Impostor better than Bone Shaper?? I don't know about that. I'd say a lot more people struggle against Impostor because of the teleport 50/50s and lack of MU experience. Don't get me wrong, Impostor is a really good variation, but I still think Bone Shaper is a better variant.
 

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Man of Tomorrow
Yeah, and I'll just go with what he says.

Why? Despite being easily the best NRS player Sonicfox is not always right. No one is. If he said "Unbreakable Sub-Zero is the best character in the game" would you believe him knowing the character is bad? If he said "Hat Trick is Kung Lao's best variation" would you instantly nod your head and agree? Whomever your main is, if he said the variation you believe is the best is the worst would you just go "Sonicfox said it so it must be right"?
 

SwegZero

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Why? Despite being easily the best NRS player Sonicfox is not always right. No one is. If he said "Unbreakable Sub-Zero is the best character in the game" would you believe him knowing the character is bad? If he said "Hat Trick is Kung Lao's best variation" would you instantly nod your head and agree? Whomever your main is, if he said the variation you believe is the best is the worst would you just go "Sonicfox said it so it must be right"?
Yes, but my DDND install failed, dammit. And I won't go as far as Unbreakable, but I'll go with the Kung Lao one, since they're not far apart. I'll keep who I think is bad, but if it's above that, I'll agree.
 

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Man of Tomorrow
Yes, but my DDND install failed, dammit. And I won't go as far as Unbreakable, but I'll go with the Kung Lao one, since they're not far apart. I'll keep who I think is bad, but if it's above that, I'll agree.

Tempest and Hat Trick are miles apart. The point being you wouldn't take his word as gospel in every situation so why would you in this one?
 

SwegZero

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Tempest and Hat Trick are miles apart. The point being you wouldn't take his word as gospel in every situation so why would you in this one?
Because Hat Trick isn't bad, so whatever. And if you're talking about Cassie, none of the variations are miles apart. I'm a scrub, so I'll just take the word of better players. But DDND is still the most important thing in life.
 

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Man of Tomorrow
Because Hat Trick isn't bad, so whatever. And if you're talking about Cassie, none of the variations are miles apart. I'm a scrub, so I'll just take the word of better players. But DDND is still the most important thing in life.

Then let me ask a different question: why wouldn't you just take my word for it? This is not to be malicious but the way you describe yourself as a Cassie player means I'm more than likely better than you with the character, why not just accept my word?
 

SwegZero

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Then let me ask a different question: why wouldn't you just take my word for it? This is not to be malicious but the way you describe yourself as a Cassie player means I'm more than likely better than you with the character, why not just accept my word?
Because I'll take the word of the best than a better player.
 

YoloRoll1stHit

Publicly Educated
Ethereal's fades utilities outweigh Ravenous's extra damage and pseudo ticks imo. Fades give Mileena safety by her being able to end all her blocked strings into fade away. Combo extension for one bar which can add up to 5% to a combo. Mixups for one bar or a guaranteed throw. A free wake up that is safe. The ability to essentially parry or negate any attack or projectile in the game that is reactable. Ravenous on the other hand beefs up her damage by quite a bit and give her a bit more pressure with the pounces. However, Ethereal just has more options as a variation overall.
Ethereal never breaks combo and has shit neutral. You can't rely on ex fade all day, especially in some matchups where you can't throw sai freely. And Ethereal can ex fade through everything, but it doesn' give her any kind of punish like 50% of the time, sometimes after using ex fade she still has stuffs to respect. Ravenous also build more meter than Ethereal because of high pounce spamming
 

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Man of Tomorrow
Because I'll take the word of the best than a better player.

AFAIK he's never commented on how he sees the Cassie variations so a better player is all you have and I'm one of the best Spec Ops in the game and a Cassie main since day 1. You've argued against my points but if Sonicfox said the same things you'd accept them. That seems problematic.
 

SwegZero

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AFAIK he's never commented on how he sees the Cassie variations so a better player is all you have and I'm one of the best Spec Ops in the game and a Cassie main since day 1. You've argued against my points but if Sonicfox said the same things you'd accept them. That seems problematic.
Like I said, scrub.