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Discussion ... so who are the Top 5 after all the patching?

ando1184

ando1184

Noob
Why are takeda, shinnok, and scorpion in top 5? Are we talking bout characters across all 3 variations to make them top? I would put alien, EB, and Jax up there too. Also, doesn't shinnok have a buff thread going on right now lol, what is all this?
 
Yinze

Yinze

"Tell me, do you bleed?...You will."
Anyone without shinok in their top 5 is crazy, he wins the most matchups out of anyone. And Dvorah instead of takaeda forsure
 
Sage Leviathan

Sage Leviathan

I'm platinum mad!
NPO:

Johnny (A-List)
D'Vorah (Swarm Queen)
Kano (Cutthroat)
Jax (HW/Wrestler)
Sonya (Demo)

*F/T (Ruthless), Shinnok (Imposter/Boneshaper), and Mileena (Piercing) also work
 
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Dankster Morgan

Dankster Morgan

It is better this way
I think I have a pretty decent tier list so I figure that here is as good to share it as any. Characters in a tier are virtually the same in therms of quality.

S tier: Alien(Acidic), Alien(Tarkatan), Jax(Wrestler), Sonya(Demolition), Mileena(Piercing), Takeda(SR), Shinnok(Imposter), Kano(Cutthroat), Johnny Cage(A-List), Ferra/Torr(Ruthless), D'Vorah(Swarm Queen)

A+ tier: Alien(Konjurer), Jax(HW), Jax(Pumped Up), Sonya(Covert Ops), Scorpion(Hellfire), Sub-Zero(Grandmaster), Takeda(Ronin), Takeda(Lasher), Cassie Cage(Hollywood), Kung Jin(Shaolin), Leatherface(Killer), Leatherface(Butcher), Predator(HQT),Shinnok(BS), Kano(Commando), Johnny Cage(Stunt Double) Liu Kang(Dragon's Fire), Kotal Kahn(War God), Kotal Kahn(Sun God), Reptile(Deceptive), Ferra/Torr(Lackey), Quan Chi(Summoner), Quan Chi(Sorcerer), Quan Chi(Warlock), Tremor(Crystalline), Triborg(Sektor)

A tier: Jason(Slasher), Jason(Relentless), Jason(Unstoppable), Kung Lao(Tempest), Sonya(Special Forces), Kenshi(Possesed), Kenshi(Kenjutsu), Kitana(Royal Storm), Kitana(Assasin) Kitana(Mournful), Scorpion(Ninjutsu), Sub-Zero(Cryomancer), Mileena(Ethereal), Cassie Cage(Brawler), Cassie Cage(Spec Ops), Jacqui(Full Auto), Jacqui(Shotgun), Kung Jin(Bojutsu), Tanya(Kobu Jutsu), Bo Rai Cho(Dragons Breath), Lestherface(Pretty Lady), Predator(Hunter), Kano(Cybernetic), Erron Black(Gunslinger), Liu Kang(Flame Fists), Liu Kang(Dualist), Ermac(Spectral), Ermac(Master of Souls), Kotal Kahn(Blood God), Reptile(Noxius), Reptile(Nimble), Ferra/Torr(Viscious), D'Vorah(Venomous), Raiden(Thunder God), Raiden(Displacer), Goro(Dragon Fangs), Tremor(Aftershock), Triborg(Cyrax), Triborg(Smoke)

A- tier: Kung Lao(Buzzsaw), Mileena(Ravenous), Bo Rai Cho(Bartitsu), Shinnok(Necromancer), Johnny Cage(Fisticuffs), Erron Black(Outlaw), Erron Black(Marksman), Ermac(Mystic), D'Vorah(Brood Mother), Goro(KW), Goro(Tigrar Fury), Tremor(Metallic)

B tier: Kung Lao(Hat Trick), Kenshi(Balanced), Scorpion(Inferno), Sub-Zero(Unbreakable), Jacqui(High Tech), Kung Jin(Ancestral), Tanya(Pyro), Bo Rai Cho(Drunken Master), Predator(Warrior), Raiden(Master of Storms)

C tier: Tanya(Naginata), Triborg(Cyber Sub-Zero)
 
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FOREVER EL1TE

FOREVER EL1TE

Noob
Dankster Morgan said:
I think I have a pretty decent tier list so I figure that here is as good to share it as any. Characters in a tier are virtually the same in therms of quality.

S tier: Alien(Acidic), Alien(Tarkatan), Jax(Wrestler), Sonya(Demolition), Mileena(Piercing), Takeda(SR), Shinnok(Imposter), Kano(Cutthroat), Johnny Cage(A-List), Ferra/Torr(Ruthless), D'Vorah(Swarm Queen)

A+ tier: Alien(Konjurer), Jax(HW), Jax(Pumped Up), Sonya(Covert Ops), Scorpion(Hellfire), Sub-Zero(Grandmaster), Takeda(Ronin), Takeda(Lasher), Cassie Cage(Hollywood), Kung Jin(Shaolin), Leatherface(Killer), Leatherface(Butcher), Predator(HQT),Shinnok(BS), Kano(Commando), Johnny Cage(Stund Double) Liu Kang(Dragon's Fire), Kotal Kahn(War God), Kotal Kahn(Sun God), Reptile(Deceptive), Ferra/Torr(Lackey), Quan Chi(Summoner), Quan Chi(Sorcerer), Quan Chi(Warlock), Tremor(Crystalline), Triborg(Sektor)

A tier: Jason(Slasher), Jason(Relentless), Jason(Unstoppable), Kung Lao(Tempest), Sonya(Special Forces), Kenshi(Possesed), Kenshi(Kenjutsu), Kitana(Royal Storm), Kitana(Assasin) Kitana(Mournful), Scorpion(Ninjutsu), Sub-Zero(Cryomancer), Mileena(Ethereal), Cassie Cage(Brawler), Cassie Cage(Spec Ops), Jacqui(Full Auto), Jacqui(Shotgun), Kung Jin(Bojutsu), Tanya(Kobu Jutsu), Bo Rai Cho(Dragons Breath), Lestherface(Pretty Lady), Predator(Hunter), Kano(Cybernetic), Erron Black(Gunslinger), Liu Kang(Flame Fists) Ermac(Spectral), Ermac(Master of Souls), Kotal Kahn(Blood God), Reptile(Noxius), Reptile(Nimble), Ferra/Torr(Viscious), D'Vorah(Venomous), Raiden(Thunder God), Raiden(Displacer), Goro(Dragon Fangs), Tremor(Aftershock), Triborg(Cyrax), Triborg(Smoke)

A- tier: Kung Lao(Buzzsaw), Mileena(Ravenous), Bo Rai Cho(Bartitsu), Shinnok(Necromancer), Johnny Cage(Fisticuffs), Erron Black(Outlaw), Erron Black(Marksman), Ermac(Mystic), D'Vorah(Brood Mother), Goro(KW), Goro(Tigrar Fury), Tremor(Metallic)

B tier: Kung Lao(Hat Trick), Kenshi(Balanced), Scorpion(Inferno), Sub-Zero(Unbreakable), Jacqui(High Tech), Kung Jin(Ancestral), Tanya(Pyro), Bo Rai Cho(Drunken Master), Predator(Warrior), Liu Kang(Dualist), Raiden(Master of Storms)

C tier: Tanya(Naginata), Triborg(Cyber Sub-Zero)
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Be careful on where you put dualist
 
colby4898

colby4898

Special Forces Sonya Up-player
Sonya, Johnny, Mileena, Takeda

Struggle with the 5th. Could be Lui, Dvorah, Shinnok, Alien and probably more. I feel like those 4 are definitely top 5 though imo.
 
x TeeJay o

x TeeJay o

Canary Cry Gapless Pressure
xxFalcon Loverxx said:
Konjurer is very good, has anti-wakeup setups as well. Good setups both midscreen and corner which have safe two guaranteed mixups, you can do f4 xx db3, f4 xx bf4, b3 xx db3, b3 xx bf4.DB3 low, BF4 overhead, so it basically guarantees you have to block two safe mixups in a row which lead to 40% meterless into another setup.

And you can use alien's mixups to open the opponent up and f134 mixups and pressure too.
So he's pretty good.
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colby4898

colby4898

Special Forces Sonya Up-player
xxFalcon Loverxx said:
Konjurer is very good, has anti-wakeup setups as well. Good setups both midscreen and corner which have safe two guaranteed mixups, you can do f4 xx db3, f4 xx bf4, b3 xx db3, b3 xx bf4.DB3 low, BF4 overhead, so it basically guarantees you have to block two safe mixups in a row which lead to 40% meterless into another setup.

And you can use alien's mixups to open the opponent up and f134 mixups and pressure too.
So he's pretty good.
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Konjurer is my secondary and he is good, but only once you've hit the opponent. The other variations are good on block also. The only safe thing he has is bf4 and after most strings there is a gap.
His 112 set up can be jumped out of, wake up, delayed wake up, back dashed, even wake up normal can beat some of his options. But if you do block you have to block low,low or low,oh or oh,low or oh,oh or throw.
He has hard to blockable setups but they use a meter and don't lead to a lot of damage.
He has suprisingly decent spacing/zoning but only against non-zoners really. Setting up the hugger mid screen or on you and using the db4 and b3 is good at keeping opponents out if they already struggle against zoning.
The only thing 'buff' i would like is when you call face hugger manually to be sped up so it's safe on a block string. Like if f134 db1 (with egg already out) is safe. I think that would help his pressure out but it's not completely necessary.
 
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xxFalcon Loverxx

xxFalcon Loverxx

Ignorant slaves, how quickly you forget.
colby4898 said:
Konjurer is my secondary and he is good, but only once you've hit the opponent. The other variations are good on block also. The only safe thing he has is bf4 and after most strings there is a gap.
His 112 set up can be jumped out of, wake up, delayed wake up, back dashed, even wake up normal can beat some of his options. But if you do block you have to block low,low or low,oh or oh,low or oh,oh.
He has hard to blackable setups but hthey use a meter and don't lead to a lot of damage.
He has suprisingly decent spacing/zoning but only against non-zoners really. Setting up the hugger mimd screen or on you and using the db4 and b3 is good at keeping opponents out if they already struggle against zoning.
The only thing 'buff' i would like is when you call face hugger manually to be sped up so it's safe on a block string. like if f134 db1 (with egg already out) is safe. I think that would help his pressure out.
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Iirc i played someone with your tym tag on ps4 and i think it was you, i tried to jump out of the f134 xx egg set-up, but the facehugger caught me. Is that just me not knowing the match-up or was i just not blocking in time?
 
JerzeyReign

JerzeyReign

PSN: JerzeyReign
There is no "true" top 5 ... NRS has made a game where most of the characters, in the right hands, are lethal as hell. Give it some time and the meta will change and 'X character' will be the best because of some tools she/he has to deal with whomever is projected as the best right now.
 
colby4898

colby4898

Special Forces Sonya Up-player
xxFalcon Loverxx said:
Iirc i played someone with your tym tag on ps4 and i think it was you, i tried to jump out of the f134 xx egg set-up, but the facehugger caught me. Is that just me not knowing the match-up or was i just not blocking in time?
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It seems to be a bit hit and miss really. I think if you jump backwards immediately and you block when you land you'll be safe. But sometimes the f4 will hit you. Jumping over or jumping up the hugger will catch you I believe all the time. But maybe instant njp may workm I'll check later the ways to escape by jumping.

EDIT: Just re-read and it said f134, I wrote a response to 112 my bad.
f134 can't be jumped out of as far as I know. But it can be tech rolled, this is wnhy on a read of a tech roll I will do a far face hugger. But if you don't tech roll obviously it will be behind you and kinda useless. So you can ex to cover both options. @xxFalcon Loverxx
 
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