SonicFox = Potential Greatest of All Time...And We Are Living In It

[CrimsonShadow]

I don't think I'm with you, there. If you ask anyone competing during that era what mattered more: Winning MLG (which had dwindling turn outs toward the latter of it's life compared to EVO).

Lol, Rude sir.. The biggest/most stacked MLG for MK9 was the last one. There were a comparable number of top MK9 players there to EVO -- padding the bracket with 300 more random/unskilled players doesn't necessarily weigh heavily into the difficulty of winning the tournament. At MLG Dallas, there was almost nowhere to hide, as 95% of the bracket were known players, people who at least could play their characters at a mid level, were on teams or had scenes, and knew the game etc.

 

[Tom Brady]

Even if everyone in MK9 was pretty rusty, they all went to MKX anyway, and SonicFox has been dominating the game ever since it came out.

STOP... Sonic Fox's "EVO win" in MK9 came long after everyone had quit the game and it wasnt even an official game, it was a side event.

Accomplishments wise while the game was active through its 3 OFFICIAL EVO appearances, Fox was not even in the top 15, maybe even lower. I do not care what what people feel that one WOULD accomplish. I do not believe in props and credit for WOULD HAVE done. You only get credit for HAVE DONE.

Give him props for what he has done and do not take from other because of "would have done". Its an insult from those that competed and accomplished.

And need I remind you all that after Fox's "EVO win" in MK9, he went on a podcast and called out PL saying "Obviously I could out play him and he is making excuses for my win when he says he doesnt play anymore". PL then come out of retirement and played a little and then won Summer Jam and TFC, convincingly beating Fox at both events. What gets people mad is that this community has amnesia to the point that Sonic Fox has now become the best MK9 player of all time apparently. People remember his "EVO win" over PL and always bring it up but never realize how he got beat when PL actually played jut A LITTLE. Maybe the ones who won in MK9 did so because they were the best and Fox being there would not have changed it. And the fact is that you cannot take credit from someone because of what you believe "WOULD HAVE" happened. Just stop and wake up in the reality of what DID happen.

Again, just give the kid his due credit for all of his accomplishments without giving him accomplishments that he did not do because you believe he "WOULD HAVE" done it.

 

[Linkuei82]

Sonic fox was not the best player in MK9. He was good but there are tons of other players who had more accomplishments in MK9 lifetime than Sonic. He didn't really start breaking out and shine until Injustice and completely dominate in MKX.

 

[RexyWrecks]

Yep I am

You're an idiot.

 

[CrimsonShadow]

In any case, he's the undisputed best NRS player ever. Arguing about MK9 or what would have happened 4 years ago in a broken game is pointless.

 

[ninjutsubreh]

who cares about mk9 broken ass game, its sf4-5, mkx generation now

 

[Sultani]

Fox wasn't the best in MK9. He won a side event at EVO after the game was pretty much over. Considering that win when determining if he's the best NRS player doesn't even matter. It's kinda like saying whoever wins a side ST event is the best capcom player. No one would do that, but it doesn't matter because when you look at ALL NRS titles together, he's still the best. period.

He's the best MKX player. The end.

He was the best injustice player. The end.

He's the best NRS player when looking at all titles collectively. That's obvious.

Now he's placing top 8 in SFV with a bottom tier character in events with entrants over 1,200. He's also top 5 in DOA and skullgirls, which aren't even big brand (Capcom or NRS) games.

This is what's completely ridiculous. People are quick to dismiss his accomplishments, and then they point to people like infiltration. Infiltration dominated SF4 for a VERY short period of time. He dominated SFxT for an equally short period of time. SFxT's lifespan was like a year. yet people still point to his domination in that game as some sort of counter argument against fox's accomplishments because it hasn't been long enough? yeah ok.

Now look at the games that the names being mentioned were "dominant" in. Cool. Two games by the same developer. Get back to me when any of them start placing top 8 or even WINNING at majors in games across multiple different developers. None of them have done that. Not Tokido. Not Xian. Not Infiltration. Not Daigo. None of them. Top Capcom player does NOT equal top fighting game player. Capcom is not the only fighting game developer. Chirs G and JWong are the only other two who have done well at multiple branded games, and even then, it's not as many as fox can claim.

 

[G4S Claude VonStroke]

In any case, he's the undisputed best NRS player ever. Arguing about MK9 or what would have happened 4 years ago in a broken game is pointless.

Stop hating Crimson. Crimson Pls

 

[CrimsonShadow]

Stop hating Crimson. Crimson Pls

What?

 

[THTB]

I agree with @M2Dave sonic to tool as you can tell by his injustice lose to theo in injustice and his mk win with mileena vs xSMOKEx and I just don't place him in my top 5. And he yet to face the top sf5 players. Doa5 he is the best and 2nd best in SGs other than that he is just a online player who HAS the opportunity to attend offline. Like I and countless others who CANT attend offline a lot it just his time now next game it'll be some one else.

That online warrior argument faded out when Wolfkrone made top 8 at EVO, and really faded out when NuckleDu became a top 5 SFIV player basically getting his experience online. Hell, Gamerbee is an online warrior, so is Infiltration.

So swerve.

 

[Skullcalibur]

Is SonicFox secretly a hipster and purposely plays mid tiers? In MK9 he played Mileena where the only other success of her that I can recall was Reo at EVO 2011. He also played Sonya who was considered top 3 by many but even still, he could have played Kabal or Cyrax instead but didn't. In Injustice he was the Batgirl who was also considered top 3 but nobody else came even close to his tournament results with that character. If SonicFox didn't exist, would Batgirl be considered mid tier? Then we come to MKX - Erron Black, Kitana, Cassie, and never once we see him playing Kung Lao or Quan Chi. Although the exception is Tanya, but maybe its just her sassy character similar to Batgirl's and Cassie's that clicks with him.

 

[CrimsonShadow]

Is SonicFox secretly a hipster and purposely plays mid tiers? In MK9 he played Mileena where the only other success of her that I can recall was Reo at EVO 2011. He also played Sonya who was considered top 3 by many but even still, he could have played Kabal or Cyrax instead but didn't. In Injustice he was the Batgirl who was also considered top 3 but nobody else came even close to his tournament results with that character. If SonicFox didn't exist, would Batgirl be considered mid tier? Then we come to MKX - Erron Black, Kitana, Cassie, and never once we see him playing Kung Lao or Quan Chi. Although the exception is Tanya, but maybe its just her sassy character similar to Batgirl's and Cassie's that clicks with him.

He answers that question here:
http://testyourmight.com/threads/flashback-rising-stars-interview-sonic-fox.28316/

Get back to me when any of them start placing top 8 or even WINNING at majors in games across multiple different developers. None of them have done that. Not Tokido.

This is literally what Tokido is known for, lol

 

[Paul the Octopus]

Fox wasn't the best in MK9. He won a side event at EVO after the game was pretty much over. Considering that win when determining if he's the best NRS player doesn't even matter. It's kinda like saying whoever wins a side ST event is the best capcom player. No one would do that, but it doesn't matter because when you look at ALL NRS titles together, he's still the best. period.

He's the best MKX player. The end.

He was the best injustice player. The end.

He's the best NRS player when looking at all titles collectively. That's obvious.

Now he's placing top 8 in SFV with a bottom tier character in events with entrants over 1,200. He's also top 5 in DOA and skullgirls, which aren't even big brand (Capcom or NRS) games.

This is what's completely ridiculous. People are quick to dismiss his accomplishments, and then they point to people like infiltration. Infiltration dominated SF4 for a VERY short period of time. He dominated SFxT for an equally short period of time. SFxT's lifespan was like a year. yet people still point to his domination in that game as some sort of counter argument against fox's accomplishments because it hasn't been long enough? yeah ok.

Now look at the games that the names being mentioned were "dominant" in. Cool. Two games by the same developer. Get back to me when any of them start placing top 8 or even WINNING at majors in games across multiple different developers. None of them have done that. Not Tokido. Not Xian. Not Infiltration. Not Daigo. None of them. Top Capcom player does NOT equal top fighting game player. Capcom is not the only fighting game developer. Chirs G and JWong are the only other two who have done well at multiple branded games, and even then, it's not as many as fox can claim.

Not true. Tokido has won majors (or at least gotten top 8) in Street Fighter, Marvel vs. Capcom, BlazBlue, Tekken, Guilty Gear, Capcom vs SNK, and Melty Blood. Sonic Fox is beyond amazing but Tokido is the original Sonic Fox, and is still more accomplished at this point (maybe not in the future).

 

[Onilordasmodeus]

Along with Infilitration, Tokido, Justin Wong and ChrisG, SonicFox is one of the best fighting game players at the moment. Though, it is far too soon to say he is one of the best fighting game players of all time. There are players that have won and/or placed in multiple games, throughout multiple genres, for much longer than him.

I find his recent fighting game dominance to be most comparable to ChrisG and Infiltration. Before Chris' recent break from tournaments, he won and/or placed in nearly every game he entered. Next to SonicFox, Infilitration has seen one of the most financially successful tournament runs where he dominated SFIV and SFxT for over a year - winning nearly every tournament he entered (including Evo and Capcom Cup). Next to Daigo, Momochi, Xian and Kazunoko, Infilitration is still one of the best SFIV players and is now one of the best SFV players.

SonicFox is undoubtedly the best NRS player we've seen since REO. He is definitely one of the best fighting game players we've seen in recent history. But, of all time? Way too soon.

This sums it up quite nicely if you ask me.

 

[Sultani]

Not true. Tokido has won majors (or at least gotten top 8) in Super Street Fighter, Marvel vs. Capcom, BlazBlue, Tekken, Guilty Gear, Capcom vs SNK, and Melty Blood. Sonic Fox is beyond amazing but Tokido is the original Sonic Fox, and is still more accomplished at this point (maybe not in the future).

Didn't know Tokido played Anime or tekken. Interesting. What's a Melty Blood?

 

[Tom Brady]

Is SonicFox secretly a hipster and purposely plays mid tiers? In MK9 he played Mileena where the only other success of her that I can recall was Reo at EVO 2011. He also played Sonya who was considered top 3 by many but even still, he could have played Kabal or Cyrax instead but didn't. In Injustice he was the Batgirl who was also considered top 3 but nobody else came even close to his tournament results with that character. If SonicFox didn't exist, would Batgirl be considered mid tier? Then we come to MKX - Erron Black, Kitana, Cassie, and never once we see him playing Kung Lao or Quan Chi. Although the exception is Tanya, but maybe its just her sassy character similar to Batgirl's and Cassie's that clicks with him.

No.. He used Mileena, KL, Sonya, etc. He tried those characters as well. Lets not pretend like he was some Mileena losing to Kabal. He tried KL and just about every other top tier as well. To my knowledge I only know of one player to consistently beat Kabals at a high level in tourney using a low tier.

If you want to say he couldnt find his style, well thats fair enough. But its because jumping to get in and safe 50/50s, let alone 50/50s in general were not a part of MK9. So, you could say MK9s engine was not as much his style as IGAU and MKX.

 

[CrimsonShadow]

No.. He used Mileena, KL, Sonya, etc. He tried those characters as well. Lets not pretend like he was some Mileena losing to Kabal. He tried KL and just about every other top tier as well. To my knowledge I only know of one player to consistently beat Kabals at a high level in tourney using a low tier.

To be fair though: If you aren't going to give him credit for winning the 2014 MK9 EVO tourney, you shouldn't also be portraying him as using a crop of high tier characters during the 'active life' of the game, when he was playing 95% Mileena at every event.

 

[usedcarsalesmang]

To my knowledge I only know of one player to consistently beat Kabals at a high level in tourney using a low tier.

GGA Jeremiah?

 

[Tom Brady]

To be fair though: If you aren't going to give him credit for winning the 2014 EVO, you shouldn't also be portraying him as using a crop of high tier characters during the 'active life' of the game, when he was playing 95% Mileena at every event.

I saw him at WB 2013 vs Curbo. He tried KL, Sonya, etc and lost. I recall someone however fighting the same Kabal as SZ 3 weeks prior at a different major only winning. Others did it with characters even worse so even the "but he used Mileena" thing means nothing to me because not only did he not do it with Mileena, but he didnt do it with better characters either.

Again, any MK9 talk is ridiculous. Its an attempt for people to try to give the kid credit beyond his accomplishments. Its dumb.. Why cant people stop coming up with reason why he's doing so well currently besides that fact that he's very good and deserves his praise for what he is accomplishments. In the same note why cant others just appreciate what he is doing now and stop trying to give him even more praise by giving him credit for things he has not accomplished as if he needs that to validate him.

He's a great player, there should be no more discussion.

 

[Tom Brady]

GGA Jeremiah?

Perhaps you miss the key word.. CONSISTENTLY

 

[I AM MOSSBERG]

Bottom line...I agree with OP. SonicFox is one of the greatest. The guy can play ANY fighting game at the highest level. He doesn't need 10+ years to prove it. We're at the highest level of competition ever in competitive fighting game history and he's definitely one of the elite.

I respect the history of the FGC and the people who paved the way for SonicFox to become who he is...but it is what it is. The kid is legit and definitely one of the greatest. He will likely win another few EVO medals again this year.

 

[CrimsonShadow]

I saw him at WB 2013 vs Curbo. He tried KL, Sonya, etc and lost. I recall someone however fighting the same Kabal as SZ 3 weeks prior at a different major only winning. Others did it with characters even worse so even the "but he used Mileena" thing means nothing to me because not only did he not do it with Mileena, but he didnt do it with better characters either.

So he used KL in maybe one match at one event -- in that case, I guess DJT was a Doomsday main in Injustice.



Also, note that no one here mentioned him beating Kabal players here -- except you. This is the newest edition of 'boxing with shadows'.

 

[jmt]

Not best in mk9 for certain not best in injustice for certain mkx prolly yeah. Doa5 and SGs yeah he is so stop listening to everyone else.

No what I said is from a thinking perspective.

Also this is what's wrong with the Nrs community a thread of ONE person and people praising him. Smh no wonder the other FGs laugh at y'all. Smh especially with the lack of fundamentals that MKXL requires

The fact that you think he isn't the best injustice player shows how crazy you really are. I'm done.

 

[jmt]

Yep I am

I've decided that you can't be real. Just a dumb random troll.

 

[MsMiharo]

Yep I am

I'm intrigued. Who's a better injustice player than Sonic Fox?