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[21122]

Doesn't it wiff after 21122?

I think 11b3 into cmd grab works on block.

11B3 cmd grab my is very easy to use spot amd whiff.

You wait for 21122 to finish then cmd grab.

 

[Gofer_MK_]

So, anyone has a complete list of ticks?

11b3, 211 (after the second hit), d1, d3, what else?

 

[ryublaze]

With only one 21122 tick throw remaining, how about just tick throwing after 21122. Condition the opponent with ex-sand at the end, then just start doing raw or armoured tackles at the end.

Gimmick or good idea? What do you guys think? Could work with B12 as well since its plus, jails ex-sand, and is fast.

They should be able to react to you just doing 21122 by itself. If you could tick throw off of the last hit then it would be a different story. I find EX cmd grab works great after 21122 though.

 

[The Farmer]

11B3 cmd grab my is very easy to use spot amd whiff.

You wait for 21122 to finish then cmd grab.

@Red Raptor aleady answered it, but yea you'd have to ex it.

 

[HolidaycSin]

So, anyone has a complete list of ticks?

11b3, 211 (after the second hit), d1, d3, what else?

1, and d4 is what your missing.

 

[thlityoursloat]

Random question, don't know if anyone can answer. So, I recently downloaded KPack2 and for some reason I don't have the "Apocalypse Skins" - does anyone have any idea why this might be the case? I was really looking forward to checking out Black's new skin. Am I missing something here, does anyone have a clue why this might be?

Check your add-ons for the game.

 

[Fresh900]

Check your add-ons for the game.

Yea man idk...I did that. Maybe there's a way I can re-download it or something. Idk maybe if I delete it and then re-dld it will work - hopefully. Thanks, tho.

 

[Gofer_MK_]

Another Erron beginner question. Do you use Sand Gust (DB4) at all? Its a crappy launcher and I see no other use for it then maybe as an Anti Air. Am I missing something here?

 

[21122]

Another Erron beginner question. Do you use Sand Gust (DB4) at all? Its a crappy launcher and I see no other use for it then maybe as an Anti Air. Am I missing something here?

I use it for combos in the corner.

 

[wsj515]

Another Erron beginner question. Do you use Sand Gust (DB4) at all? Its a crappy launcher and I see no other use for it then maybe as an Anti Air. Am I missing something here?

really not a bad anti-air for marksman if you make a read, gunslinger you might as well just use ss2. definitely good for corner combos in gunslinger.

 

[The Farmer]

You can mid screen with sand gust with f2 in a combo after ex sand grenade for decent midscreen damage.
Example. F13 exsg f2 sand gust run cancel 21122 ender

 

[Bucketfeet]

Another Erron beginner question. Do you use Sand Gust (DB4) at all? Its a crappy launcher and I see no other use for it then maybe as an Anti Air. Am I missing something here?

Definitely a corner combo extender. It has way less damage scaling compared to sos 2 in gunslinger.

 

[21122]

Guys for Outlaw after ex-sand F22 is a good move. Reaches, is a mid, 8f startup basically with ex-sand, can hit confirm and +2 on block

Edit: Man this is actually really good, granted its not guaranteed but its a great mix up for outlaw players!
Maybe im testing it wrong but the only way to beat this is with a 7f move or faster, armour, backdash,or a low profiling move

Im not good with labbing so if anyone else wants to test and let me know that would be great.

And if anyone doesn't know the range that sand tackle puts Erron, the last hit of SOS3 will jail (first two shots or just the first miss though) for mid screen that is, haven't tested corner.

@The Farmer
@HeroesNZ
@wsj515
@HolidaycSin
@Red Raptor
@DownfouralitY
@Redux
@Everyone

 

[Helmut]

Did they change something in the small patch today with Erron Black. I could swear that with the KP2 patch I could not get the cmd grab to work on hit after a regular 21122 and opponent goes airborne and now it does? Also I cant get the ex cmd grab to come out on block at end of 21122 which I thought it was supposed to. It could be that my execution was off before on hit and now with trying to ex on block?

 

[21122]

21122 into cmd grab worked since mkx on hit.

21122 into ex cmd grab never worked on blocked.

 

[Helmut]

21122 into cmd grab worked since mkx on hit.

21122 into ex cmd grab never worked on blocked.

Ok thanks for clarifying. I thought I read somewhere that you have to ex command grabs now and they will come out on block. Maybe that was for Kotal Sun God or Commando Kano. Glad to know that it still comes out on hit though.

 

[The Farmer]

Guys for Outlaw after ex-sand F22 is a good move. Reaches, is a mid, 8f startup basically with ex-sand, can hit confirm and +2 on block

Edit: Man this is actually really good, granted its not guaranteed but its a great mix up for outlaw players!
Maybe im testing it wrong but the only way to beat this is with a 7f move or faster, armour, backdash,or a low profiling move

Im not good with labbing so if anyone else wants to test and let me know that would be great.

And if anyone doesn't know the range that sand tackle puts Erron, the last hit of SOS3 will jail (first two shots or just the first miss though) for mid screen that is, haven't tested corner.

@The Farmer
@HeroesNZ
@wsj515
@HolidaycSin
@Red Raptor
@DownfouralitY
@Redux
@Everyone

It took me by surprise a little when we played last night. I thinks it's s great alternative. I don't believe there are any gaps in that string, but someone with more time then me can test. It's a good idea to implement.

 

[21122]

Ok thanks for clarifying. I thought I read somewhere that you have to ex command grabs now and they will come out on block. Maybe that was for Kotal Sun God or Commando Kano. Glad to know that it still comes out on hit though.

Rx cmd grabs will connect the on hit

 

[Northern Slasher]

So whats Erron's best variation now? I've wanted to learn Gunslinger since release (I'm a HUGE spaghetti western fan) and have been sort of messing around with it, and it seems fun! Fingers hurt from 21222 lol

Is Gunslinger "viable" now since the changes? Or is Outlaw still the goto?

 

[21122]

My ranking:

#1 - Gunslinger
#2 - Outlaw
#3 - Marksman

 

[DownfouralitY]

So whats Erron's best variation now? I've wanted to learn Gunslinger since release (I'm a HUGE spaghetti western fan) and have been sort of messing around with it, and it seems fun! Fingers hurt from 21222 lol

Is Gunslinger "viable" now since the changes? Or is Outlaw still the goto?

Gunslinger is actually probably his best variation overall. All of his variations are viable though, just go for the one that fits your playstyle the best imo.

 

[Northern Slasher]

My ranking:

#1 - Gunslinger
#2 - Outlaw
#3 - Marksman

What in your opinion makes Gunslinger #1?

 

[21122]

What in your opinion makes Gunslinger #1?

Neutral/zoning game is decent.

Has more options in the 21122/ex-sand/sand trap mix up game

Lets not forget the yolo SOS2 armour/anti air breaks

 

[Northern Slasher]

Neutral/zoning game is decent.

Has more options in the 21122/ex-sand/sand trap mix up game

Lets not forget the yolo SOS2 armour/anti air breaks

Fair enough. One more thing. How the hell are you guys getting slide and caltrops to come out after 21122 in a juggle? I can't get it work unless I only do 2112.

 

[21122]

Fair enough. One more thing. How the hell are you guys getting slide and caltrops to come out after 21122 in a juggle? I can't get it work unless I only do 2112.

For slide/caltrops you dont have to buffer the inputs or anything. Just do the inputs right after you finish inputting 21122.

You actually have a lot of time to input slide/caltrops.