Guide - Scorpion Scorpion 1.12

[OutworldKeith]

I need all the scrubs that said Ninjutsu F2 being an OH would break Scorpion to come to the front of the congregation.

 

[FOXSOLID]

The new purpose of standing 3 is pretty great, it just like ibuki cr.mp on SF4, the Scorpion's s3 fills the same purpose, it whiff punishes, it keeps them out, is really fast, and has a decent pushback to set a f2 or b2 in ninjutsu.

Was there a particular reason why you weren't utilizing F2 Takedown cancel and his B4 cancel abilities? You used B4 into a teleport once, but not one F2 ~ Takedown.

 

[FOXSOLID]

I need all the scrubs that said Ninjutsu F2 being an OH would break Scorpion to come to the front of the congregation.

Pretty sure they meant if the entirety of the move became an overhead. Which I still wouldn't mind at all.

 

[Eddy Wang]

Was there a particular reason why you weren't utilizing F2 Takedown cancel and his B4 cancel abilities? You used B4 into a teleport once, but not one F2 ~ Takedown.

I'm good a read ppl guarding, it doesn't mean i wouldn't use, but i mostly know what ppl are trying to guard pretty often, my playstyle is more of whiff punishing rather than play a heavy mixup game.

besides, B4 is still 13f you will have to condition your opponents to not move in order to use that move.

 

[yzzerdd]

Is that divekick even punishable? I don't have the character yet so I can't check but I have heard people say it is safe. Hopefully it is not safe but I'm not sure

Just tested this and cyber sub's divekick is definitely unsafe, -19 on block (both normal and ex). To get a good damage punish with hellfire, you gotta spend bar. Ninjutsu nets you a full combo, no bar.

 

[OutworldKeith]

Pretty sure they meant if the entirety of the move became an overhead. Which I still wouldn't mind at all.

Nope they said that it would be broken because the 2nd hit is OH & the first can be cancelled into Takedown lol!!!

My buddy fuzzy guards it every single time & he's a newcomer to fighting games.

 

[MK FIGHTER]

I need all the scrubs that said Ninjutsu F2 being an OH would break Scorpion to come to the front of the congregation.

You might want to send that message to Jagoblake lol. He was one of the first to condemn the change. Let the Shirai Ryu court sentencing begin. lol

 

[Eddy Wang]

Nope they said that it would be broken because the 2nd hit is OH & the first can be cancelled into Takedown lol!!!

My buddy fuzzy guards it every single time & he's a newcomer to fighting games.

delayed b3 catches ppl fuzzying alot, even f4 opens ppl up in ninjutsu now, those random fuzzys are open with f2 alone now, they have to pick a stance to block

 

[OutworldKeith]

You might want to send that message to Jagoblake lol. He was one of the first to condemn the change. Let the Shirai Ryu court sentencing begin. lol

Lol in his defense he did retract his statement & said he was wrong.

 

[MK FIGHTER]

You might want to send that message to Jagoblake lol. He was one of the first to condemn the change.

Lol in his defense he did retract his statement & said he was wrong.

Where is the public statement for all Scorpion players to see and admire him for?

 

[TyCarter35]

Ninjutsu is fine with the changes. It's just that Scorpion Ninjutsu has a few more options to get his offense started now as a result. His sweep being -9 on block helps a little. His armor breaking in ninjutsu is great! Has anyone found any optimal combos that involves special canceling b4?

 

[Deadlywolf]

With Ninjutsu, you can do 123 tp b2 b2 rc 21~ spear for 35% meterless. Really hard but pretty swag damage.

Another badass thing you can try is 214 tp b2 rc 214 extp into rc 21~ spear for 40% 1 bar combo. Really tough but its a thing Ninjutsu can do now!

 

[Matix218]

Ninjutsu is fine with the changes. It's just that Scorpion Ninjutsu has a few more options to get his offense started now as a result. His sweep being -9 on block helps a little. His armor breaking in ninjutsu is great! Has anyone found any optimal combos that involves special canceling b4?

Fyi sweep in ninjutsu is actually -4 now on block

 

[OutworldKeith]

Where is the public statement for all Scorpion players to see and admire him for?

It's in that thread he made when the beta first dropped.

 

[OutworldKeith]

So anyway, I'm reading that a lot of players are having success in fuzzying the mix-up. If that's the case, I'll hold that, and I'll add in a sigh of relief since I see that Ninjutsu's core concept as a variation hasn't devolved into 50/50s all around.

@MK FIGHTER here it is.

 

[Goat-City]

Can somebody tell me what the point is of being able to special cancel his b4 in Ninjutsu?

 

[Eddy Wang]

Can somebody tell me what the point is of being able to special cancel his b4 in Ninjutsu?

Low starter with low profile option.

 

[Goat-City]

Low starter with low profile option.

That's a really weird buff then. Doesn't improve him significantly, just a random change thrown in.

 

[Jason Pls]

Was there a particular reason why you weren't utilizing F2 Takedown cancel and his B4 cancel abilities? You used B4 into a teleport once, but not one F2 ~ Takedown.

F2 Takedown isn't really the best option for opening people up haha. If you over utilize it, people will start fuzzying it and you'll take a full combo when you would have been safe.

 

[GamerBlake90]

@MK FIGHTER

I see we are still begrudged over my initial opinion on the F2 change. I gave what I believed - and still believe - to be valid reasoning on why I was against it in the first place. What else would you like me to say?

If you or anyone else in this forum dare to accuse me of being against the idea of making Scorpion viable, I will take it as an insult. If anything, I wanted to avoid a scenario where our character would get unnecessarily nerfed to Hell (or I should say Netherrealm) after getting buffed. Had you been around in earlier times to see NRS's typically confusing approach when it comes to character changes, maybe you'd be more sympathetic.

Whatever, though. Apparently I am not qualified to speak my mind on the variation I use more than any other in the game, let alone represent in tournament, so as @OutworldKeith has requested, I am now making a public apology while proceeding to discontinue my use of the public Scorpion boards so that no-one will be flabbergasted at my posts again.

I'll even do you one better: I'm deleting the thread I made in regards to my opinion on the change in question. I'd already planned to do so now that XL is upon us, but you can consider this as part of a two-fold apology if it pleases you.

Good night.

 

[omooba]

imo hellfire got nerfed cus no more armor break

 

[STRYKIE]

Can somebody tell me what the point is of being able to special cancel his b4 in Ninjutsu?

Properly jails into EX spear (unlike B3) and is a true high crush.

 

[I GOT HANDS]

Was there a particular reason why you weren't utilizing F2 Takedown cancel and his B4 cancel abilities? You used B4 into a teleport once, but not one F2 ~ Takedown.

F2 Takedown isn't really the best option for opening people up haha. If you over utilize it, people will start fuzzying it and you'll take a full combo when you would have been safe.

Adding to this, there's a risk/reward factor... you get full combo off ex-TP on hit and can restand into pressure, takedown just gives you a little bit of damage into knockdown, and you risk full combo for both... F2 Takedown is gimmicky as hell imo

 

[I GOT HANDS]

its basically an unsafe Buzz Saw mix-up

 

[Eddy Wang]

Yes, but ppl don't want to get full comboed into restand by scorpion, so often they rather take the takedown. Still i think it comes down to know what your opponent is thinking, and if he is a guys that rather plays safe and take the takedowns, or his a bold guy that will risk to crouch to block the mixup to blow you up, you then just switch to delayed back 3 after poking them with s3 or s1 or do a f42, or even just F2 regardless of what they're trying to block, one miss timing and one of these will surely hit.