Video/Tutorial - Cyber Sub-Zero Optimized Meterless Knockdown Vortex with 5-way Mix-Ups (42%+ Meterless Combos)

[M.D.]

He can't do any guaranteed ones like the ones in the OP mid screen.
The ones you are probably reffering to are the f2 reverse knockdown ones, which are random to get and can also be escaped because f2 is not a hard knockdown and you are not in the corner.

Cyrax has 100% guaranteed ones anywhere, CSZ only in the corner.

 

[WATCHD0G]

I was just doing D+3 for swag. That's not even part of the set up, lol.



Cyber Sub-Zero can just block while the bomb is out and get a full combo and put Cassie in the same situation again. Same thing with Smoke. Just block and punish fade with 1,1,1~Ice Ball. Yeah, they have an option, but it's equally as risky.

What about Sektors EX flame? would you be able to push sub back long enough for you to jump the ice bomb? and then maybe air dash out of there?

 

[RYX]

@RYX

Why are you tagging me, I already posted here

 

[Saltea Moonspell]

It seems Like he might need some adjustments, specially the dive kick should be mid. I've mained SCZ for over a year in MK9 and even though he was trash I was still able to pull of some of his hardest matches. I am happy to see him finally as strong character after years. It seems Like he has deep meta game that will deliver amazing free style swag Gameplay, all viable. The days of corner ice clone rape are coming to an end - Fuck You Grand Master.

 

[Samsara]

So why no rage posts about Cyrax. He gets this all over the screen and has better damage. You all want him nerfed?

Nerf 1 : reduce overhead kick damage by 2

Nerf 2 : make it punishable from any range--- even when spaced

Nerf 3: dive kick can only be performed from a forward jump--- not a neutral or back jump

Fair nerfs. If you mess with the speed or recovery you will fundamentally break the character.

 

[xxFalcon Loverxx]

Why are you tagging me, I already posted here

Oops, sorry.I just wanted to see your opinion about this because of your status update about cyber sub.

 

[xxFalcon Loverxx]

I'll agree cyrax needs some toning down, i just can't understand how he can be nerfed.
Edit:I don't mean that he'll die if he gets nerfed i mean i don't understand what eh should be nerfed in.

 

[Prinz]

Yea because gmes back then(especially fighting games) were sooo balanced, fair and bug-free...

That's why he WAS a QA tester and is no more

 

[JDM]

Cyrax is bad lmao. His unblockables are not that hard to block, his damage is very dependent on screen position, no armor whatsoever, no safe special moves, bombs control the screen extremely poorly.

CSZ is better by a good margin, way more utility, good armor, insane mobility. It's not even a contest.

 

[ForeverKing]

This is the only variation in the game that's making me second guess allowing DLC at Final Round

 

[RYX]

Oops, sorry.I just wanted to see your opinion about this because of your status update about cyber sub.

he has potential but I'm gonna wait until his neutral gets fleshed out before I reach a conclusion

Setups are good but this is mostly in a void

 

[JDM]

This is the only variation in the game that's making me second guess allowing DLC at Final Round

Lol, didn't you tell me "that's the words of someone scared"?

CSZ is really fucked up. But it's okay cause you play the game as a job and can and will learn this broken shit just in case for FR.

 

[juicepouch]

@RYX

 

[looktotheluna]

Yea because gmes back then(especially fighting games) were sooo balanced, fair and bug-free...

If you actually understood my post then you would know what my point was instead of the sarcastic and ignorant response. Each to their own.

 

[Samsara]

Better have your fun now before he gets whacked.

 

[JDM]

He can't do any guaranteed ones like the ones in the OP mid screen.
The ones you are probably reffering to are the f2 reverse knockdown ones, which are random to get and can also be escaped because f2 is not a hard knockdown and you are not in the corner.

Cyrax has 100% guaranteed ones anywhere, CSZ only in the corner.

Not random lol. And F2 is a hard knockdown. What? Just because you can roll after doesn't mean it isn't a hard knockdown. 1112 is a hard knockdown and you can roll as well.

Off of any low iceball midair you can run F2 and get the reverse into Mid icebomb into B3 pseudo unblockable. Catches rolls and non rolls after F2. Not random at all to get either.

 

[Gesture Required Ahead]

If you actually understood my post then you would know what my point was instead of the sarcastic and ignorant response. Each to their own.

"Ignorant and sarcastic" But calling people lazy and that they should be fired? ok...

 

[Name v.5.0]

I look at the original cast and all their variations and then watch this...Its like, why even play as 90% of the other stuff when you have this?

 

[Prinz]

Not random lol. And F2 is a hard knockdown. What? Just because you can roll after doesn't mean it isn't a hard knockdown. 1112 is a hard knockdown and you can roll as well.

Off of any low iceball midair you can run F2 and get the reverse into Mid icebomb into B3 pseudo unblockable. Catches rolls and non rolls after F2. Not random at all to get either.

What you're talking about is called a techable knockdown. You can't techroll a hard knockdown.
Edit: also you might be talking about a splat knockdown, which looks like a hard knockdow, but can be techrolled.

 

[aieches]

Yeah I was messing with corner traps similar to this yesterday and the only thought that went through my head is how the hell do you even defend this? Looks like a Marvel character got into MKX

thanks for this comment- went to go look for a umvc3 video with crazy blocks to post- ended up watching 30 minutes of hype videos. lol..

 

[RYX]

I look at the original cast and all their variations and then watch this...Its like, why even play as 90% of the other stuff when you have this?

Because they do different things

 

[RiBBz22]

thanks for this comment- went to go look for a umvc3 video with crazy blocks to post- ended up watching 30 minutes of hype videos. lol..

Yeah it is a slippery slope lul

 

[JDM]

What you're talking about is called a techable knockdown. You can't techroll a hard knockdown.
Edit: also you might be talking about a splat knockdown, which looks like a hard knockdow, but can be techrolled.

It's a splat knockdown. Same effect. People saying "it's not a hard knockdown" like it means something. It doesn't. 1112 isn't a hard knockdown and you get a fucked up setup like this because it's still hard knockdown initially.

"Splat knockdown" would be the more technical term.

 

[looktotheluna]

"Ignorant and sarcastic" But calling people lazy and that they should be fired? ok...

I said devs (as a whole) nowadays are lazy (by constantly patching and not having a final product on release) and there was no mention of me saying they should be fired or anyone single handed. I meant back in the 2000 era, employees would get warned for missing broken stuff and would get fired if it continued throughout their performance reviews but now everything is rushed out and patched.

 

[D7MHellcat]

I just can't see this staying...stuff like this devalues the competitive aspect of fighting games. When you have to guess 5 different ways the point to taking it seriously starts eluding me. Anything competitive strives to limit how much guessing is involved, because the idea is to test your skills vs someone else's skills.