Question - Warrior Should Warrior predator be able to choose when to Self-Detonate AT ANY TIME?

[DarksydeDash]

Self-Detonate is pretty useless in its current state, and considering this is his main "tool" in a rushdown variation, it needs help. Being able to self detonate at anytime would mean his unsafe specials/strings could become safe and launch on hit for an easy follow-up meterless. Keep in mind doing this special does 10% to predator himself so its not like you can keep doing this for free.

 

[-Blinky-]

Also make it so it doesn't go away on hit.

 

[buyacushun]

Self-Detonate is pretty useless in its current state, and considering this is his main "tool" in a rushdown variation, it needs help. Being able to self detonate at anytime would mean his unsafe specials/strings could become safe and launch on hit for an easy follow-up meterless. Keep in mind doing this special does 10% to predator himself so its not like you can keep doing this for free.

I'd say allow him to block and keep it. reduce some of the frames on it so he can activate it more. I don't know about allowing him to hold on to it. Because he can get like 40%+ (meterless? it's been a while). Maybe increase the timer but allow him to early detonate. On a read you could eat 10% to launch. You get more set up time. He'll need that if he can keep it on block. And if he can early detonate than you don't need to force a specific setup. That would make it much better but still fair imo.

 

[DarksydeDash]

I'd say allow him to block and keep it. reduce some of the frames on it so he can activate it more. I don't know about allowing him to hold on to it. Because he can get like 40%+ (meterless? it's been a while). Maybe increase the timer but allow him to early detonate. On a read you could eat 10% to launch. You get more set up time. He'll need that if he can keep it on block. And if he can early detonate than you don't need to force a specific setup. That would make it much better but still fair imo.

He already keeps it on block. And yes he can get 40% metetless off an impractical combo starter.

 

[DarkSydeDiscord]

I think he should also have a new move in Warrior where he throws his spear. The MB version should stun on hit giving enough time to activate the self-destruct. At the current point, the move is useless. It NEEDS something to buff it even if that means giving it a hit of armor throught the duration.

 

[buyacushun]

He already keeps it on block. And yes he can get 40% metetless off an impractical combo starter.

ah ok. And it's probably only impractical because you can't just pop whenever you want. So you don't get the perfect stab move condition. I still say give him more time. Like double the timer. And give a command to detonate it like hunter traps. EX should probably give him armor on startup (So you can armor through then use the detonate command right after.) And give him a damage threshold before he loses the buff. So stray hits don't waste a bar.

 

[DarksydeDash]

ah ok. And it's probably only impractical because you can't just pop whenever you want. So you don't get the perfect stab move condition. I still say give him more time. Like double the timer. And give a command to detonate it like hunter traps. EX should probably give him armor on startup (So you can armor through then use the detonate command right after.) And give him a damage threshold before he loses the buff. So stray hits don't waste a bar.

Its his 321+3 string which has no mixup.

 

[buyacushun]

Its his 321+3 string which has no mixup.

Or confirming into bf4. And if you could do it whenever then it would become "Whenever you hit them and had 10% health to spare for 30-40% meterless."

 

[EMPEROR PRYCE]

Also make it so it doesn't go away on hit.

I'd say this right here.

Keep the start up the same and the countdown the same.

Now it becomes a very difficult move to utilize, but it forces the opponent to make decisions in the neutral. It also works as a pseudo combo breaker.

 

[bumpyface]

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[DarksydeDash]

I'd say this right here.

Keep the start up the same and the countdown the same.

Now it becomes a very difficult move to utilize, but it forces the opponent to make decisions in the neutral. It also works as a pseudo combo breaker.

That would mean an instant combo breaker that he could combo after..

 

[-Blinky-]

That would mean an instant combo breaker that he could combo after..

Shhhh, he needs it.

 

[Jeremy KO]

I think he should also have a new move in Warrior where he throws his spear. The MB version should stun on hit giving enough time to activate the self-destruct. At the current point, the move is useless. It NEEDS something to buff it even if that means giving it a hit of armor throught the duration.

Giving him a spear throw is a fantastic idea. Have it work like Ermac's soul ball or Sub's Ice ball.

 

[EMPEROR PRYCE]

That would mean an instant combo breaker that he could combo after..

People know not to press buttons after tremor rocks or dvorah puddle because they lead to full combos. Yet ppl do all the time.

With the start up, its hard to get out mid match. So he deserves the reward for getting it. Plus don't forget the damage he takes.

Also. They can add variables to it. Like "if predator explodes while being comboed, explosion causes hard knockdown instead of juggle"

 

[zerosebaz]

If you make it stay on hit couldn't the opponent time an armored move to absorb the hit and still keep comboing you? What would happen if you get hit by a proyectile like the Iceball? Would exploding release you? Would you take the damage and then your opponent continues the combo? Keeping it on hit could actually be bad for him.

 

[DarkSydeDiscord]

Giving him a spear throw is a fantastic idea. Have it work like Ermac's soul ball or Sub's Ice ball.

Exactly! What would be really nice about it aswell would be if you could use it for mix-ups. Control if it hits low, mid, or overhead. Throwing a MB spear overhead could make for some really sneaky setups.

 

[MrProfDrPepper]

if it would cost meter kind of like reptiles acid ball stop then i think this would be a very reasonable buff

 

[Classic Malt]

Up for anything that makes the least used variation of a character more viable, so yes.

 

[ando1184]

Honestly I'm still questioning why this variation doesn't have the heal special. Also I think self detonate should stay like it is, but be a true unblockable. If anything it would force the opponent to focus on a more zoning style way of fighting this variation. Something needs to be done to help detonate out, even though it can activate faster now, it's still underused due to its design.

 

[EGP Wonder_Chef]

If he could blow it up at any time, Schwarzenegger wouldn't have survived the first movie.

 

[Sage Leviathan]

Just make it not go away upon being hit.

 

[Parasurama]

He needs a healing move so that he can recover his health for self detonation like kotal.

 

[GAV]

He needs a healing move so that he can recover his health for self detonation like kotal.

 

[Skedar70]

I tried this varitation today and I honestly can't find anything good about it. The self destruct is decent but whenever I activate it my opponent just keeps is distance and getting in with this variation is almost impossible since the overhead leap can be easily hit out of or punished on block. This variation needs help.

 

[I GOT HANDS]

He would be ridiculously broken like this