Thank God Foxy atleast knows that liu can give out good pressure, but crumbles under it as well. S+? I would put him along S or at the VERY least A+ tier. He has very good pressure, very good zoning, but bad pokes and a weak air game (iafb are good on a read). I think tanya,lao,quan,cassie and jax beat him. Hell goro and ferra torr damn near poke infinite him lol. Yes he forces you to block like any other cancel character and even non cancel characters and his pressure is hard to escape when he has stamina. I just hate how people talk, as if he has NO weakness or bad mus lol