KHTC Takgillo
Noob
I disagree with Takeda s EX kunai going away on block it s a projectile and as one shouldn t
Its funny you say that, as I forgot to mention Mileenas EXsais, the second one DISAPPEARS if she gets hit
I m kind of confused are you saying you can interrupt her while she s launching the sai ?
no it isn't git gud
Use Upknee dawg.
I don't think some of these changes really seem to address the problems of the characters...I've made some notes on the ones I'm curious about and if you want to let me know why you decided on those changes then that'd be coolCharacter Specific Changes:
Hat Trick
- Calling hat back during travel will absorb all projectiles it comes in contact with (Think Sub-Zero EX ice ball and Ferra toss) : Cool but I think putting it out absorbing a projectile would be better.
- Animation during hat call back in air (D,D+2) can now be cancelled into a dive kick. : Uhhh I just think they need to nerf the recovery so we can convert from it, this seems a little weird lol.
- D,D+2 above high hat trap now hits Overhead when called back : The hitbox isn't really big enough for that to be of much use tbh.
Other suggestions: They should remove the gap in BF2EX, fix the hitbox on callback so it actually hits mid all the time, and give a little more conversion time/change the hit reaction.
Demolition
- Decrease the startup of the reload by 20 frames (to compensate for the lack of safe reloads due to the B14 nerf)
Special Forces
- B2 is now neutral on block : B2's really more of an extender than a starter I feel, not sure this is the right change for her.
Alternatives:
- Reduce the recovery on B2 by 5-10 frames to make conversions easier/increase her potential damage output.
- Allow her to convert from more moves cancelled into park drone to increase her damage output.
Balanced
- All versions of Telekinetic Strike (D,B+4) are now -3 on block. : Tempest much?
- EX Spirit Charge is now +7 on block. : WOAH...I mean it'd help but plus SEVEN?! #MK9 lol
- EX Tele Flurry is now -6 on block and has it's whiff recovery cut in half : I mean it's already -9 and I don't think that's that bad especially considering you'll never use it up close, but yeah less whiff recovery.
Jacqui Briggs
- EN B,F+2+BLK is now -9 on block.
- D,B+1 now has slightly less recovery.
These changes don't really address Jacqui's problems. She needs less pushback on strings like F12 and 114 to allow her to be able to continue pressure with something like standing 1 since her range is so ass her own strings push her too far away to frame trap properly. Making ex BF2 -9 doesn't make it more worth using, the damage buff didn't and still doesn't, it should still be a launcher. Armoured but 23 frames startup and full combo punishable sounds fair wouldn't you agree? As for tech shield it's not the recovery that's the problem, it's that it's a little too slow on startup. Decrease the startup and it'll be a better move, the recovery is fine.
Ancestral
- Loading up a Stun Arrow no longer has a timer.
I'd also like to add that his arrows need the recovery pretty much halved in some cases. For a variation with zoning capabilities its zoning is pretty terrible. The air ones should have much less recovery than they do right now.
Also arrow load should have some frames taken off of it so he at least more than two strings to rely on cancelling from to get a safe reload. Testing the frame data for his arrow load cancels was frighteningly sad.
Tanya
Kobu Jutsu
I also think they should remove or heavily shorten the outrageous blockstun on her third rekka, that thing is impossible to punish half the time because you can't tell when you can move.
Predator
Hish-Qu-Ten
- 2% overall damage reduction on all and every single plasma laser attack.
Also maybe a slight recovery increase on his lasers perhaps?
Shinnok
- Amulet Strike (B,F+1)has lessened recovery when negating a projectile attack.
Necromancer
- All forms of Judgement fist (D,B+1) can now be cancelled and linked into on hit from normals.
Again this wouldn't address his problems. He's not designed to be a pressure character/cancel character, he's a zoner. His zoning tools are the problem and should be addressed. Plus he does decent damage in Necro if you land a hit, I don't know if increasing it is a priority. They should make DF4 safe (only the meterless version, not the ex version) so that he has something to cancel his strings into since most of them are unsafe. This would also address the problem of how meter intensive he is by giving him a way to build a little more. They should also make Flick faster as a way of getting around the problem of the tracking on it sucking. Maybe bring it down by about 5-10 frames max.
Erron Black
- Caltrops will no longer kill an opponent who is in danger. (EX Caltrops still will) : P L E A S E
Ermac
- D,B+2 is now safer on block. : Hmm giving Ermac safe options might be kinda scary.
Kotal Kahn
War God
- EX D,B+1+BLK is now -20 on block instead of -14. (Think Erron Black pre patch sand toss VS post patch sand toss) : I don't really get what this is for lol.
Raiden
- Hitbox has been increased on both hits of B+1,1 so it can no longer be low profiled by any character. : This is pretty much a priority.
I agree with all the rest that I haven't noted.
Haha. You lazy bastard. Couldn't even copy and paste.
Completely agree with Buzzsaw's juggle state, the way it is now his zoning is almost no threat.
Thank you for explaining this, people never seem to remember his low is armor able from every option in Wrestler and PU so making the overhead unsafe as well would make HW so much better.
Why do you hate me Crathen
huh. You want to buff Spec Ops Cassie, and Erron Black, but you want to nerf Ermac, and give multiple nerfs to Buzzsaw Lao? What is with thisI don't think some of these changes really seem to address the problems of the characters...I've made some notes on the ones I'm curious about and if you want to let me know why you decided on those changes then that'd be cool
I also think that they should implement these changes:
Cassie:
Spec Ops - Decrease the recovery of DD1 by 5-10 frames
D'Vorah:
Brood Mother - Increase the cancel window on DF1/decrease the startup on DF1 delay to allow for easier conversions.
Ermac:
Slight decrease the vertical hitbox on Ground Slam (it currently can hit people out of their instant air projectiles which I think is a bit much)
Erron Black:
Decrease the startup of F3 from 14 to 11 frames
Gunslinger - Decrease the recovery of Standoff Stance by 5-10 frames.
Ferra/Torr:
Reverted the horizontal reach of 42+4 to its original state (ok this is more of an "I want this" rather than an "I think this is kind of necessary for the character" like the rest but it's funny and I like it and I want it baaaaaaack)
Goro:
Increased run speed/walkspeed
Kuatan Warrior - Decreased recovery on Chest Lunge by 5-10 frames
Jacqui Briggs:
Decreased pushback on her F12 and 114 strings
Increased hitbox on her B3/B33
Increased window to input 4U4
Shotgun - Decrease the startup of DB2 to 13 frames max and DB2EX to 10/11
High Tech - Decreased the time taken before you can cancel DF2
Jason:
General damage buff
Relentless - Can't be hit if he has disappeared from the screen when performing Lake Mist
Unstoppable - Effects of damage and health buffs increased
Kano:
Standing 1 changed from 8 frames to 7
All whiffing issues fixed (like standing 2, which is an important normal, and non-Cybernetic knives which can whiff on crouch BLOCKING characters such as Scorpion)
Hit and block reaction changed on F4 so that several moves will not whiff after it, either that or increase the range of said moves that can whiff when cancelled from F4 (like DB1 in Cybernetic).
Whiff recovery from mb air ball halved.
5 more frames of hitstun from ex ball cancel (this will make Commando bnbs easier to execute and allow Commando to tap in to a slightly higher damage output)
Up Ball issues fixed (ie getting beat out by a lot of normals, variable startup with anywhere between 6 and 9(!) frames)
Cutthroat - Ex buff's DoT effect removed
Cybernetic - 2% damage increase to DF2 (and therefore 0.5% chip damage) increase to allow him to compete in zoning wars and actually have zoning worth worrying about
Cybernetic - Slightly decreased damage scaling on 2+4MB launcher to allow him to have average combo damage and so his variation-specific combo extender isn't made redundant by his universal combo extender (ex ball cancel) since it currently does around the same damage
Cybernetic - You can now choose where you'd like to place the opponent when doing Kano's 1+3 ender, 1+3B places them near you, 1+3F places them 3/4 screen. In its current state it leaves the opponent in an awkward position where nothing Kano has that's guaranteed reaches and where anything that does reach isn't guaranteed.
Cybernetic - Slightly increased block advantage on ex knives (from +5 to +8)
Cybernetic - MB Up Laser hit reaction changed/recovery reduced to allow for more consistent conversions
Commando - Slightly decrease the damage scaling on 321+3MB so that the move isn't made redundant by ex ball cancel combos as they currently do more damage
Commando - New tick throws implemented, either B1, F4, B3 or all of them (note: You might think I'm crazy but look at all the other grapplers and try telling me that'd be broken in comparison somehow)
Commando - Parry inconsistencies fixed (ie being able to parry lows high but not low, vice versa)
Kenshi:
D3 startup reduced from 11 startup frames to 7
Balanced and Kenjutsu - Reflect startup frames reduced from 10 to 8
Balanced - Spirit Charge block advantage increased from -2 to +4
Balanced - Rising Karma startup decreased form 17 startup frames to 11
Kung Jin:
Ancestral - Reduce the recovery on arrow load by 12 frames
Ancestral - Half the recovery on Air Straight Arrow, Air Split Shot and Air Angle Arrow
Kung Lao:
Reduce the meter gained from a blocked Fist Fury/Chain Fist
Buzz Saw - Reduce the hit advantage on Low Grinder (from +16 to +9)
Tempest - Reduce the block advantage of Hat Spin to -10 and Orbiting Hat to +4, this would force Tempest to rely on meter more and hit confirm into hat spin instead of just throwing out it out for free
Hat Trick - Gap removed from BF2EX on block
Hat Trick - Decreased recovery on Hat Trap and Low Hat Trap by 5-10 frames
Liu Kang:
Dragon's Fire - Increase the number of frames before Liu can cancel out of Dragon Fire (BF1)
Dragon's Fire - Reduce the number of frames before Liu can cancel out of Double Dragon (BF1EX)
Flame Fist - Increase the block advantage on Windmill Flurry from -16 to -10
Dualist - Decrease the startup and recovery of Soul Sphere/Stop Sphere
Dualist - Fix issues where Soul Sphere would disappear into the side of some stages
Predator:
Further damage scaling on Smart Disc and Scimitar Slam
Hish-Qu-Ten - Increased number of frames before you can Plasma Caster Cancel
Quan Chi:
Ex runes decreased from +14 to +5 on block
Summoner: Demon Spawn attacks cannot be used while the opponent is affected by Trance
Raiden:
B11 hitbox increased
Active frames on Shocker decreased
Master of Storms: Decreased startup/recovery on Static Traps
Shinnok:
Impostor - Decreased recovery on teleport
Necromancer - Block advantage on Summoned Fiend increased from -20 to -5
Necromancer - Startup on Devil's Flick decreased from 22 frames to 16 frames
Bone Shaper - Increase the startup/recovery of Dark Beam and Dark Blast
Sonya:
Demolition - Decreased startup on Drone Drop by 20 frames
Special Forces - The ability to cancel more strings than just B14 and B332 into Spawn Drone and continue the combo
Sub Zero:
Unbreakable - Slight damage buff
Unbreakable - Parry recovers much faster after parrying a projectile
Grandmaster - Fix clone-related issues
Takeda:
Startup on D1 reduced from 8 frames to 7
Tanya:
Increase the number of frames before Tanya can cancel her teleport
Kobu Jutsu - Increase the recovery/decrease the block advantage of B12+4
Kobu Jutsu - Rekkas no longer give Tanya meter
Kobu Jutsu - Tonfa Throw has a consistent gap independent of screen position
Kobu Jutsu - Tonfa Strike only has one hit of armour
Kobu Jutsu - Heavily reduced blockstun from a delayed Tonfa Push
Dragon Naginata - Change the hit reaction from Staff Stance so her bnbs become more consistent
Dragon Naginata - Make B+D2 2-in-1 cancellable
Pyromancer - Reduced recovery on fireballs
Pyromancer - EX Dust restands
Tremor:
Startup on B1 reduced from 19 to 14 frames
Slightly increased vertical hitbox on 12D3 (another more of "I want" than "they need it" but it'd make for cool conversions and might improve his corner damage although it's already good)
Slightly decreased startup on Rock Toss and Rolling Stone
13 frames upwards is enough time to recognize "startup" per se, I could be an entitled prick and say lower it to a single digit number of frames.
You don't think Buzzsaw Lao is better than Erron Black? What is with that?
WTF? Talk about overkill.
I thought glass cannons were high powered characters with low vitality? Since there's no difference in health in MKX.... Where does that leave Quan?
That's pretty much quan. All offense no defense.
