Question - Summoner Is Quan Chi in reality a mid tier character?

[Tigerbang]

Because it doesn't matter if you're Lao, Tanya, Jax, Takeda etc etc, you get hit by Quan, you're in trouble, a lot of trouble.

out of curiosity do you feel Quan is better or worse than Lao?
Also I think M2Dave likes attention and is smart in the way he gets it.

 

[PND_Ketchup]

You realize that you can't play all three variations at the same time right? It doesnt matter that his variations cover each other

My question would be, do you believe any single variation to be S tier?

My point is that he cannot be counterpicked.

 

[The Hex Man]

I was going to make a post similar to this, but I'll try to keep it short and sweet since I'm just reiterating your point.

Quan Chi's defensive options in summoner are often cited as his weakness to prevent him from being top X (1, 3, 5, etc) in the game.

This does not factor in how Quan Chi's offensive can be done to ignore the opponents defensive options, making them equal to Quan Chi himself. Meaning they must block.

However Summoner Quan Chi has the best offense in the game. This turns the match into the best offense in the game (summoner) vs no defensive options but blocking ridiculious mixups (opponent). When the opponent is on offense, it turns into NOT the best offense in the game vs no defensive options but blocking, mostly.

Summoner turns every match into an arms race of offense in which he is the best at.

If he possibly loses a match it'd have to do with some sort of neutral game problem. But his neutral game is strong in many matches due to his powerful zoning, great jump attacks and long range overhead.

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[M2Dave]

LOL Quan Chi after 2016 patch. We need Smoke's hair back.

I would immediately drop Quan Chi if he had Smoke's hair.

Everything about Smoke spells anti-zoning zealotry.

 

[SylverRye]

You know i dont get quan mains..they will complain that quan has weak defensive options but when i choose dragons fire liu kang they will STILL pick summoner instead of going to sorcerer or warlock. Those give rushdown characters a much harder time. Too busy trying to have fun putting people in pseudo unblockables to actually choose a better variation for the mu i suppose.. and will complain about no defense options when i rush them into oblivion. .and no quan isnt mid or secret mid or anything mid. Id place him at top 5 at worst and top 3 at best. Just my opinion.

 

[Evil Canadian]

I thiink quan chie is asdsknfoineon

 

[nleaguewitsatan]

just because you and other Quan players don't do as well as you all hope too, doesn't change the fact that Quan in all his variations is S
tier....

 

[RunwayMafia]

Tanya, Kung Lao and Tremor are all better than Quan Chi.
Those characters have everything

Lmao at this blatant lie. Quan, Lao, Tremor, and a dozen other characters are all better than Kobu.

People are stuck in the 1972 Olympics (CEO 2015).

 

[SneakyTortoise]

Lmao at this blatant lie. Quan, Lao, Tremor, and a dozen other characters are all better than Kobu.

People are stuck in the 1972 Olympics (CEO 2015).

Please name that dozen

 

[LEGEND]

My point is that he cannot be counterpicked.

I guess that makes sense if you know your opponent only plays one character and doesn't blind pick. Or only pick your variation after the are locked into their character

Otherwise your logic is the same as saying no character can be counterpicked because you can counter pick back at them

 

[SneakyTortoise]

I guess that makes sense if you know your opponent only plays one character and doesn't blind pick. Or only pick your variation after the are locked into their character

Otherwise your logic is the same as saying no character can be counterpicked because you can counter pick back at them

No. He's saying that Quan Chi can cover his bad match ups by switching variations any time he gets counterpicked, whereas other characters might not be able to do so.

 

[LEGEND]

No. He's saying that Quan Chi can cover his bad match ups by switching variations any time he gets counterpicked, whereas other characters might not be able to do so.

Other characters can just switch to a different character. . . Variations are for character loyalists and people to lazy to put in the time to learn a whole new character. Each of Quan's variations have their own bad MUs, you aren't exactly solving any problems

Quan's variations all covering eachother is irrelevant

 

[PND_Ketchup]

Other characters can just switch to a different character. . . Variations are for character loyalists and people to lazy to put in the time to learn a whole new character. Each of Quan's variations have their own bad MUs, you aren't exactly solving any problems

Quan's variations all covering eachother is irrelevant

I can't even begin to explain how wrong you are.

 

[errormacro7]

Other characters can just switch to a different character. . . Variations are for character loyalists and people to lazy to put in the time to learn a whole new character. Each of Quan's variations have their own bad MUs, you aren't exactly solving any problems

Quan's variations all covering eachother is irrelevant

People who play the three variations of a character aren't lazy. The lazy ones are those who DON'T utilize the variation system as intended.

 

[GAV]

I would immediately drop Quan Chi if he had Smoke's hair.

Everything about Smoke spells anti-zoning zealotry.

 

[GAV]

Anyone who needs tournament results to tell them whether a character is good or not, shouldn't be posting their opinions on a character



Because its not an opinion, its just tournament history available to everyone. If MKX was that simple Kitana is OP as fuck and nothing else even comes close.

Luckily MKX is not that simple, and we can use our brain, knowledge, and powers of judgement to work out whether or not a character is upper tier

Arguing doesn't always go intelligently though, even here...

 

[usedcarsalesmang]

Lmao at this blatant lie. Quan, Lao, Tremor, and a dozen other characters are all better than Kobu.

People are stuck in the 1972 Olympics (CEO 2015).

Nah, its 100% truth. I can name like 20 characters that are worse than Tanya (Ermac, Sub Zero, Shinnok)
and nobody gives a fuck about the Olympics anymore so yes.

 

[LEGEND]

People who play the three variations of a character aren't lazy. The lazy ones are those who DON'T utilize the variation system as intended.

You misunderstand

I can't even begin to explain how wrong you are.

Well your points so far make zero sense and you havent even tried to explain anything soooo


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I feel like i just made this same point in a thread not to long ago and everyone seemed to understand

A character "as a whole" doesn't mean anything

 

[Aramonde]

I like this thread for the trolling but i like the Warlock talk as well

Biggest problem with Warlock as a switch from Summoner is that his meter building isn't typically strong enough to support the meter heavy offense Quan has. So even if you have the ability to spend a bar defensively and get a bit of damage, you need to spend another bar if you want the reset, and once you're out of meter you have less efficient meter building in both the zoning and up close game. So while Warlock could compliment Summoner as an alternative for heavy rushdown matchups, I think the difficulty in sustaining meter is often overlooked when considering the usefulness of Warlock.

@PND_Ketchup
@STB Shujinkydink

I'd like to hear their opinions this.

 

[PND_Ketchup]

You misunderstand

Well your points so far make zero sense and you havent even tried to explain anything soooo


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I feel like i just made this same point in a thread not to long ago and everyone seemed to understand

A character "as a whole" doesn't mean anything

1. You're the only person who I'm making "zero sense" to. Think about that.

2. The whole "character as a whole" thing does indeed mean a lot when a thread is about a TIER LIST PLACING.

 

[RunwayMafia]

Nah, its 100% truth. I can name like 20 characters that are worse than Tanya (Ermac, Sub Zero, Shinnok)
and nobody gives a fuck about the Olympics anymore so yes.

Absolutley not. Unfortunately, you are one of many victims of this very rancid and poisonous propaganda. Rehabilitation is in order.

Besides, you can trust me. Myself and the entire Tanya community is by far the most trustworthy community on TYM.

 

[PND_Ketchup]

I like this thread for the trolling but i like the Warlock talk as well



I'd like to hear their opinions this.

I don't have a whole lot to say about it to be honest. I totally understand where he's coming from, but at the same time, the use of a F3 constantly being blocked at distance after jailing from straight skull and going for f212 on block and not always a 50/50 means quan actually does a decent job of building meter. You can also wiff two head grabs after a 141 on hit for meter build, similar to the way Kenshi players wiff spirit charge after a teleflurry.

If you play Warlock with the gameplan of building meter so there is always a reversal the opponent has to respect, it transforms the game for him.

Realistically, no, you won't have a reversal 100% of the time, but you can do the best job you can to make sure you always have at least one bar available.

It's also not just the reversal that warlock does a good job with, his f3 is a lifesaver for matchups like Kitana, or other characters that may do a good job shutting down fullscreen bat/armour spell.

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

I was going to make a post similar to this, but I'll try to keep it short and sweet since I'm just reiterating your point.

Quan Chi's defensive options in summoner are often cited as his weakness to prevent him from being top X (1, 3, 5, etc) in the game.

This does not factor in how Quan Chi's offensive can be done to ignore the opponents defensive options, making them equal to Quan Chi himself. Meaning they must block.

However Summoner Quan Chi has the best offense in the game. This turns the match into the best offense in the game (summoner) vs no defensive options but blocking ridiculious mixups (opponent). When the opponent is on offense, it turns into NOT the best offense in the game vs no defensive options but blocking, mostly.

Summoner turns every match into an arms race of offense in which he is the best at.

If he possibly loses a match it'd have to do with some sort of neutral game problem. But his neutral game is strong in many matches due to his powerful zoning, great jump attacks and long range overhead.

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[TKB]

Absolutley not. Unfortunately, you are one of many victims of this very rancid and poisonous propaganda. Rehabilitation is in order.

Besides, you can trust me. Myself and the entire Tanya community is by far the most trustworthy community on TYM.

Lol Kipp I love you but your Tanya downplaying is appalling.

 

[Zoidberg747]

Lmao at this blatant lie. Quan, Lao, Tremor, and a dozen other characters are all better than Kobu.

People are stuck in the 1972 Olympics (CEO 2015).

Stahp

Edit: Ill give you Lao as being better than her though.