Except you literally can go into full combo cause you can easily ex spin off the divekick to get 30+%, earn some reading comprehension son.
That's still not a full combo, that's spending a bar to try delay the gravity, however with a full combo opener like one of the ones I mentioned you can get all that you get here and much more by spending that same bar. This is not a full combo. Also, there is no need for the shots. If I'm wrong, explain how I'm wrong, you can just calmly and simply correct me like I did you. I'm not wrong though, nor did I say anything about Divekick being bad or good, I'm just saying how it works. I'm sure you are capable of discussing / explaining your opinion without the insults or getting so upset, however this is really not worth how far it's already gotten, I was simply correcting the improper use of terminology you used, because it gives the wrong impression to people unfamiliar. Divekick is not one of his full combo starters, regardless of whether you get 30% for a bar or not. He gets a LOT more than that off an actual full combo starter for a bar.
Yeah, I disagree. His teleport is only viable vs lesser players. A good Sub won't just spam the Klone, leading to an easy teleport mix up.
Jumping at the klone with J2 is super risky, but I agree that it can definitely do work.
Lao has a very strong neutral game/ability to anti air that leads to his beast corner game. Sub Zero's klone makes up for his neutral game imo. Tempest Lao doesn't have a way around it, besides taking big risks. This makes the match up 5-5 imo.
I can see the perspective, I just don't share it. Assuming the Clone makes up for the massive advantage Lao has in the neutral, and as such leaves them on equal footing/footsies in the neutral (which is a reach IMO but we'll give it to him), then Lao still wins out heavily on damage, as well as having better armour, AA, air-to-air/air-to-ground, faster advancing strings, INSANELY better oki and pressure. Sub-Zero does have a couple of options Lao doesn't but it just isn't enough considering how heavily he converts from ALL the advantages he has.
I also disagree about the Teleport, your opponent doesn't need to be spamming Clone at all, he just needs to use clone at ANY time during the neutral anywhere on screen, and you get a Teleport mix-up. Now you can say, OK well then Sub player just chooses not Clone without plus frames, and that's absolutely fine - the threat of Teleport has already done its job and means Lao completely wins the fullscreen.
I actually think jumping at a Clone already up with J2 is very gimmicky and something easily punished by backdash, but I meant it more as the fact that anytime you can threaten a jump in 2 (which is a LOT of time), Sub can't safely Clone.
Just my opinion, hopefully I've explained and delivered it well, and even if you disagree I hope you can see why I genuinely feel that this match-up is positive for Lao.
Last post in this thread, since some trolls are in it lol.
Imo if Quan Chi or Tanya won this same thread would have been made, but in reference to them. Saying that no character goes 5-5 with Tempest Lao is super silly.
Edit: I'm not referring to hands. Talking about that weird Kenshi dude.
Don't worry, I knew who you were talking about - he is even agreeing with me here and I can't take it seriously, that guy is the definition of an agenda pusher.
I also agree that multiple characters go even with Tempest, especially after the latest patch. However, I do not believe that GM is one of them at all.
