General/Other - Liu Kang What's Liu Kang missing to be top tier?

[Ares_Supreme]

liu kang has stupid shit but in a game with alot of stupid shit his stupid shit is not as nearly as stupid as other characters stupid shit but everyone wants to cry about liu kang's stupid shit but not their own character's stupid shit

THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I'VE BEEN TRYING TO SAY!!!

Is being able to blockstun for this long dumb? YES!
But so is like 99% of what the rest of the cast does!

 

[C88 Zombieekiler]

Have players finally realized that Liu beats Sub?
Was so strange to see posts like "Sub outzones Liu".

ikr? xD

 

[Enexemander]

THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I'VE BEEN TRYING TO SAY!!!

Is being able to blockstun for this long dumb? YES!
But so is like 99% of what the rest of the cast does!

It just seems like an overall misunderstanding of the game to me. Chip heavy pressure is one of the main archetypes in the game. You hate Liu chipping you out? What about Lao? Oh that's okay because it uses meter? Well D'Vorah says hello. She has run cancels that that 50/50 you by the way. Bonus! Oh hi, Shinnok. How's your chip doing today? Good? Excellent. Looking good today on the big screen, eh Johnny? And you can go on. There are variations on the idea of chip heavy pressure throughout many of the cast. It's an integral part of the game.

Want to fight it? You have to fight the resource it depends on. Don't hand me a bunch of bullshit about Liu being vastly overpowered with run cancels when he has to use his stamina meter to get in on any opponent with half a brain. Meanwhile D'Vorah will start crackin' in on you at midscreen.

How about instead of complaining about a character archetype, you learn how to fight it? Either that, or you can point me to the top tournament results featuring DF Liu Kang. And don't give me some more bullshit about execution. I'm a new player to modern NRS games with MKX and I can do run cancels all goddamn day. Pressing forward forward block is not what is required to do well.

 

[KingHippo]

liu kang has stupid shit but in a game with alot of stupid shit his stupid shit is not as nearly as stupid as other characters stupid shit but everyone wants to cry about liu kang's stupid shit but not their own character's stupid shit

You say this, but then as we see earlier...

i guess they are getting hit by mb bicycle kick during block string, ppl dont know how to duck

...You oddly deny that a fundamental part of what makes Liu Kang really stupid doesn't work. To me, that signifies that there seems to be a significant breakdown in communication about what exactly is making him good.

A character that can lock every character down with a blockstring that builds him a whole bar and ends with him positive is bonkers. The fact that on some characters he has to spend less stamina to build it back all the same is even nuttier. The characters purported to be top because of their lockdown aren't as capable of as strong lockdown of this. Now I agree that he's less well rounded than the guys that are super top, but he's still pretty varied. Sounds like a fairly top tier character to me.

 

[Phosferrax]

You say this, but then as we see earlier...



...You oddly deny that a fundamental part of what makes Liu Kang really stupid doesn't work. To me, that signifies that there seems to be a significant breakdown in communication about what exactly is making him good.

A character that can lock every character down with a blockstring that builds him a whole bar and ends with him positive is bonkers. The fact that on some characters he has to spend less stamina to build it back all the same is even nuttier. The characters purported to be top because of their lockdown aren't as capable of as strong lockdown of this. Now I agree that he's less well rounded than the guys that are super top, but he's still pretty varied. Sounds like a fairly top tier character to me.

Take your logic, realism, and level-headiness elsewhere good sir, this is the Liu Kang forum!

 

[Ares_Supreme]

Liu kang building an entire bar from a block string is a complete illusion considering he has to spend one to do it.

 

[WITNESS]

Take your logic, realism, and level-headiness elsewhere good sir, this is the Liu Kang forum!

you play a list JC and complain about liu kang i cant take you serious

 

[Phosferrax]

you play a list JC and complain about liu kang i cant take you serious

No one takes you seriously when you things like:

i guess they are getting hit by mb bicycle kick during block string, ppl dont know how to duck

and

I don't understand what is so hard for people just to take 10% chip, do you really want an option to get out of f21 pressure and risk getting full combo punish. 10% chip or risk 30%+ punish. People don't like to block it seems, they like to press a lot of buttons.

and

this is the problem no one is blocking low, a liu kang player shouldn't be able to hit you with flying kick unless your blocking high, and +2 means nothing

Besides, you have options out of JC's run pressure; you don't have to just shit there and take it because you're completely jailed. He can't loop it indefinitely on block. Nor does he outzone most of the cast. Not that you would no anything about him as you're still spreading misinformation about your own character.

 

[Tokiwartoothxdk]

liu kang has stupid shit but in a game with alot of stupid shit his stupid shit is not as nearly as stupid as other characters stupid shit but everyone wants to cry about liu kang's stupid shit but not their own character's stupid shit

what is more stupid then a near Block infinite?

 

[Phosferrax]

Liu kang building an entire bar from a block string is a complete illusion considering he has to spend one to do it.

Dude...

He does the run cancels, then spends the bar, as which point his stamina has come back to loop the cancels again. At this point, after using the meter for flying kick, he has more meter than when he started.

 

[Ares_Supreme]

Dude...

He does the run cancels, then spends the bar, as which point his stamina has come back to loop the cancels again. At this point, after using the meter for flying kick, he has more meter than when he started.

As I said before if he can actually loop his cancels a second time after mb kick then it needs to be normalized. Meaning if the opponent has no options other than to take a hit.

 

[Phosferrax]

As I said before if he can actually loop his cancels a second time after mb kick then it needs to be normalized. Meaning if the opponent has no options other than to take a hit.

After the mb kick you have options, although Johnny Cage for instance can't escape if he doesn't have armour.

 

[WITNESS]

No one takes you seriously when you things like:



and



and



Besides, you have options out of JC's run pressure; you don't have to just shit there and take it because you're completely jailed. He can't loop it indefinitely on block. Nor does he outzone most of the cast. Not that you would no anything about him as you're still spreading misinformation about your own character.

you know i play with a JC main on the regular right? but you wouldnt know that since you think you know everything

 

[Rickyraws]

This is my new favorite forum to hang out in when I kick back and want to get some juicy reading material to go with my crab rangoon.

 

[Ares_Supreme]

This is my new favorite forum to hang out in when I kick back and want to get some juicy reading material to go with my crab rangoon.

Lmao i fucking love crab rangoon

 

[Ares_Supreme]

After the mb kick you have options, although Johnny Cage for instance can't escape if he doesn't have armour.

Well that's bs and definitely needs to be nerfed. Mb fly kick should be safe but not plus

 

[Lone]

It used to be +12-14, the game has changed so much. And it's going to go through more of them.

Some of this is good reads, though. Then the rest is just.....

 

[KingHippo]

you know i play with a JC main on the regular right? but you wouldnt know that since you think you know everything

I totally believe you, but I think trying to insult Phos for saying Liu Kang might be too much in comparison to JC is a pretty goofy stance to take. Considering Johnny's only guaranteed option after stuff like f3 rc is another f3, and his damage is way lower even with meter, they don't seem to equal one another besides Johnny having a launching overhead and being able to combo off of his low.

 

[WITNESS]

I totally believe you, but I think trying to insult Phos for saying Liu Kang might be too much in comparison to JC is a pretty goofy stance to take. Considering Johnny's only guaranteed option after stuff like f3 rc is another f3, and his damage is way lower even with meter, they don't seem to equal one another besides Johnny having a launching overhead and being able to combo off of his low.

um the restand?

 

[VoyagersRevenge]

This title though... Liu Kang is a problem period.

 

[Kickbykick]

Johnny cage jails with 333, 113 and he has a +4 ex-fireball, so why complain about Liu's f213 and back forward 2 mb. I think johnny even jails with 3(not sure bout this).

 

[AssassiN]

Johnny cage jails with 333, 113 and he has a +4 ex-fireball, so why complain about Liu's f213 and back forward 2 mb. I think johnny even jails with 3(not sure bout this).

I haven't been playing with Johnny that much, but 113~SKRC jails? I don't think that's right. @Phosferrax
Pretty sure his EX Force ball doesn't allow Johnny to fully replenish his Stamina bar, nor does Johnny build a full bar with guaranteed blockstring.

 

[VenomX-90]

I said it before and I'll say it again, the 231 bullsh*t from MK9 is missing.

 

[haketh]

um the restand?

Johnny's restand isn't exactly a super threatening

 

[Phosferrax]

I haven't been playing with Johnny that much, but 113~SKRC jails? I don't think that's right. @Phosferrax
Pretty sure his EX Force ball doesn't allow Johnny to fully replenish his Stamina bar, nor does Johnny build a full bar with guaranteed blockstring.

113 does not jail.

JC's run cancel game is no where near as flowchart and brain dead as Liu Kang's. EX forceball doesn't allow him to recharge his stamina either, so after he's depleted his stamina and used the bar, he still can't loop his pressure. But this is the Liu Kang forum, and anyone trying to say that A-List is better than DF should be put on to your ignore list.