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General/Other - Cutthroat Kano's Cutthroat Variation Discussion Thread

kabelfritz

Warrior
Just played a 50 game set with a decent Sub-Zero. He used mostly Cryomancer but also some Grand Master.
How do you guys think Cutthroat Kano does against Subby?

I felt like Kano had the advantage in full screen. Knives were stuffing iceballs and breaking clones all day, and many times I had time to block iceball when he got hit. Perfectly timed EX iceball and slide got me eventually, but it looked like a serious struggle. This tells me if Kano has the life lead, Subby has to chase Kano which is good. If I wanted to get close I could air Kanoball over iceballs no problem. Sometimes I messed up the input and just neutral jumped like an idiot to iceball, so yeah make sure you get that air Kanoball every time lol.

Mid screen fight felt ok against Cryomancer, and tricky against Grand Master. I feel Cutthroat Kano has really nice footsie tools because of his normals that move him forward like f4 and f3 (and backwards too with b1). Ice clone is a pain for sure, but it can be stuffed if Sub player gets predictable. Can't really say how bad the ice clone ends up being, because my opponent started to panic everytime I got near to him and his clone. Remember, a blocked slide equals a dead Subby so practice that punish so you can hit that even online.

Fighting close seemed ok. My opponent clearly wasn't comfortable fighting up close, so he tried to back away any chance he got. f2, 1,2 full combo punishes backdash if you read it. Can't really say anything more about how the match up feels up close. Armor moves are great all around of course.

Matches were fun, need to play some expert Subbys to get better feel how this match-up goes. Especially need to experience a really lame Sub-Zero who has really good space control with ice clone.
subzero is a terrible matchup overall, especially grandmaster. kanos worst along with shinnok imo. only cyber might go even with the mid knives and clone breaking MB knives. CT and Commando have these issues: Sub can duckblock under high knives, so no roll mixup. Sub can slide under high knives and attack on reaction. they have no good move against clone pressure.
 

kabelfritz

Warrior
Noob question: What is the best way to escape/get in on predator HSQ plasma spam? Players playing this way seem to be able to do it faster than I can do my knives, and I get hit out of any ball and when trying to run/dash.
a general strategy vs high proectiles is crouch -> move forward until you are midscreen. if you duck his projectile there you will be able to throw a knive before he gets the next shot out.
 

FlappyDaniel

Snappin' spines all day e'ry day.
Not to mention wakeup clone threat/clone threat in general really keeps us from applying TOO much up close pressure. I've started switching to cyber vs GM. I got HOUSED by wound cowboy in a 5 game set in a room last week too, couldn't even get in like at ALL with my commando, may have to switch to cyber vs that butter gun as well.
 

Youphemism

Gunslinger since pre patch (sh/out to The Farmer)
subzero is a terrible matchup overall, especially grandmaster. kanos worst along with shinnok imo. only cyber might go even with the mid knives and clone breaking MB knives. CT and Commando have these issues: Sub can duckblock under high knives, so no roll mixup. Sub can slide under high knives and attack on reaction. they have no good move against clone pressure.
It's most definitely not a terrible matchup for Cybernetic, and to be honest I don't think it'd be that bad for Commando since he can parry the 50/50s if he gets stuck in the corner, but Cutthroat might be the worst choice for the matchup.
 

kabelfritz

Warrior
It's most definitely not a terrible matchup for Cybernetic, and to be honest I don't think it'd be that bad for Commando since he can parry the 50/50s if he gets stuck in the corner, but Cutthroat might be the worst choice for the matchup.
yeah its probably alright for cyber. the parrying thing didnt relly work out for me. Sub can just delay his move while he stands in the clone safely.
 

SaltShaker

In Zoning We Trust
yeah its probably alright for cyber. the parrying thing didnt relly work out for me. Sub can just delay his move while he stands in the clone safely.
Yea Youph is right. It's actually likely in Cyber's favor against GM Sub. 100% the variation you want for this MU. It's a clear showing of how the variations are different characters, because it's a tough one for Cutthroat to match up against.
 

FlappyDaniel

Snappin' spines all day e'ry day.
Commando is wholly pretty booty against GM as well. Not worth trying to make it work, just go cyber and laugh.
 

NHDR

Dojo Trainee
Are there any characters that can punish a max range DB1? Its a great footsie tool, so much range!
 

Evil Canadian

G O K U
Premium Supporter
Are there any characters that can punish a max range DB1? Its a great footsie tool, so much range!
Kotal can d4 it at any range if blocked, can't speak for anyone else.

I would say just watch going crazy at db1 from range, once he starts its kinda a commitment, and past your f21 range people feel safe getting jumpy, and if they forward jump while you are doing db1 you are likely to get blown up.
 

Evil Canadian

G O K U
Premium Supporter
What are some hints/tips for dealing with overenthusiastic Millena teleporters?
It's a lot easier than you think it is. Basically just block and punish.

A lot of Mileenas want to get tricky by trying to stagger air sai along with tpkick if its blocked but it doesn't matter because in the end either way triggers tripguard on landing and you get the full punish. Block the hit, duck to beat any air sai if its coming, then just combo of choice when her feet touch the ground.
 

SaltShaker

In Zoning We Trust
I've got a pretty good write up coming soon for Cutt. The Alpha variation of Kano. I think you guys will like it. Some stuff likely known but a thing or two for sure I don't think is as I've never seen it posted.

I might need help with a video though from one of you tech guys. I forgot who said they will help and can't find the post. I'm a dinosaur in this day and age. If anyone can help with a vid Lemme know or PM me.

Kano still lives, he's a survivor!
 

DFC

Cutthroat Truther
I'm down for trying at least. If you need a beta test on my S Tier commentary skills, look no further:

Spoiler Alert: I want to die whenever I hear my own voice.
 

DFC

Cutthroat Truther
Yea I cant operate nada when it comes to vids. This will make you play Cutt since I remember you saying you played it the least out of the 3 lol.
You got me to stop watching some movie with Robert De Niro playing a Mobster for this. it better be.
 

Dukmunky

Arms Dealer, including all 4 of Goro's
I've got a pretty good write up coming soon for Cutt. The Alpha variation of Kano. I think you guys will like it. Some stuff likely known but a thing or two for sure I don't think is as I've never seen it posted.

I might need help with a video though from one of you tech guys. I forgot who said they will help and can't find the post. I'm a dinosaur in this day and age. If anyone can help with a vid Lemme know or PM me.

Kano still lives, he's a survivor!
I'm so stoked
 

Zatoichi

Fabulous Goofball
Hey, don't know if this is already known or not, but 32 on block gets Cutthroat Kano close enough to hit the opponent with b1.
 

Dukmunky

Arms Dealer, including all 4 of Goro's
I've got a pretty good write up coming soon for Cutt. The Alpha variation of Kano. I think you guys will like it. Some stuff likely known but a thing or two for sure I don't think is as I've never seen it posted.

I might need help with a video though from one of you tech guys. I forgot who said they will help and can't find the post. I'm a dinosaur in this day and age. If anyone can help with a vid Lemme know or PM me.

Kano still lives, he's a survivor!
Still hyped....
 

Dukmunky

Arms Dealer, including all 4 of Goro's
Ketchup/Mustard just did an AMA on reddit where they professed their belief that Cutthroat Kano might be the hidden gem of the cast. Time to get back to work, boys.
 

DFC

Cutthroat Truther
Speaking of...

B12 xx DB1EX (step forward) 11 xx DB1 112 xx BF3 does 1% more than the standard B12 xx DB1EX F212 RC 112 xx BF3. F4 starter as well. All other relevant starters(112, B31) do the same amount. I feel like maybe we should be working that as our main 1 meter combo set?
 

Dukmunky

Arms Dealer, including all 4 of Goro's
Speaking of...

B12 xx DB1EX (step forward) 11 xx DB1 112 xx BF3 does 1% more than the standard B12 xx DB1EX F212 RC 112 xx BF3. F4 starter as well. All other relevant starters(112, B31) do the same amount. I feel like maybe we should be working that as our main 1 meter combo set?
Gonna go play with this now!

But I have to say- that damage for 1 meter feels so low compared to what I'm doing with Tremor these days
 

DFC

Cutthroat Truther
So like, I'm thinking of making a guide similar to @ETC AdmiralAugustus Parry guide, but for Buff ups. only it seems completely redundant, and I have so much on my plate (Making that parry video, waiting on @SaltShaker to get back to life etc,