General/Other - Kano Kano General Discussion Thread

[DFC]

Yo, We need to have a serious discussion here. Nobody should ever have to eat "lightly salted" crackers. That's like having a low fat Big Mac, or a carbonation free soda.

 

[SaltShaker]

Dude if you think this is bad just look at reptile and you'll instantly feel better. The up ball buff is actually pretty damn good biut I agree not nearly enough.

Sometimes I honestly wonder if nrs has any clue as to what they do. They give shit to reptile and Kano yet Liu kang gets 20% inescapable block strings and much more? Either they are trolling or are incompetent, take your pick

For real. I was expecting a major upgrade for Reptile, then read the list and saw a few damage buffs by 2pts and 4pts lol. Insulting.

I was hype for about two seconds for Kano until reality kicked in. Upball? Great buff, he surely needs it. Straight ball EX? Not even a real buff because everyone cancels on hit. Useless. Commando choke? Not a buff, a fix. And then that's it? Really? Meanwhile I'm looking at Kitana, Shinnok, Liu Kang, etc all get amazing buffs and fly past Kano on the viability board. This is exactly what I was afraid of with the "oh he's fine" stance. So "fine" sitting pretty in that bottom 10 now.

 

[SaltShaker]

In all seriousness though, I'm happy with the changes he got, even if they aren't super crazy good buffs. Let's hope this is a start of a bright buff filled patch future and not all we'll have for the rest of the game's life haha xD

The salt is so real right now man you have no idea lol. I can't wait till he's "fine" at the end of patching sitting bottom 5 while I move on to Tanya.

 

[haketh]

I personally think the devs meant for it to boost kanos combo damage to par with others but they forgot the properties of the move. Or they were just trolling. Still a pointless buff in my opinion.

Dude it's a safe on block WU move, not everything is mean for damage

 

[SaltShaker]

Dude it's a safe on block WU move, not everything is mean for damage

I think he was talking about EX straight ball. That it has a 4% increase in damage, but if you cancel it for combos, say on WU or as a punish, it has 1% less damage in combos now. -.-

 

[DFC]

Dude it's a safe on block WU move, not everything is mean for damage

You're confusing EX Ball with EX Up Ball. Up Ball is safe on wakeup, regular ball got a damage buff that is effectively non-existent.

Unless I'm missing something

 

[MsMiharo]

All in all cyber fell behind in this patch. Commandos pressure could now be nasty, his wake up game is really good (up ball, command grabs, safe choke), CT ends all combos in ball so the buff will help. I prefer restand in cyber but might have to change

 

[WarriorOfSunlight]

Dude it's a safe on block WU move, not everything is mean for damage

I'm talking about kanos straight ball; not up ball. His enhanced (ex) straight ball got a 4% increase, however ex straight ball is only used to extend combos in which the extra 4% doesn't apply.

All in all cyber fell behind in this patch. Commandos pressure could now be nasty, his wake up game is really good (up ball, command grabs, safe choke), CT ends all combos in ball so the buff will help. I prefer restand in cyber but might have to change

The ball buff only applies to second hit of enhanced (ex) ball. I never see kanos end their combos with ex ball because that would just be a waste of meter.

On the bright side. Kano choke has been doing good for me so far.

 

[MsMiharo]

I'm talking about his normal ball. His enhanced (ex) normal ball got a 4% damage increase however ex normal ball is only enhanced to extend combos in which the extra 4% doesn't apply.



The ball buff only applies to second hit of enhanced (ex) ball. I never see kanos end their combos with ex ball because that would be just be a waste of meter.

On the bright side. Kano choke has been doing good for me so far.

Ah my bad. Useless buff

 

[OG Mannimal]

Bnbs never used EX Ball unless it getting out of the corner or armouring through something, but I dunno just add about 4% I guess.

But why spend the bar? Why wake up at all? If you're going to eat the pressure just block it and keep the bar for a combo.

oh i feel dumb i thought regular ball damage got increased not EX.

 

[OG Mannimal]

Speaking of EX ball, does anyone even use it? Like I personally don't bother with it much, since my 112 always whiffs or doesn't combo unless I'm in the corner, no, matter how fast I hit DD. The only variation I could see it being helpful for is Commando.

 

[SaltShaker]

Speaking of EX ball, does anyone even use it? Like I personally don't bother with it much, since my 112 always whiffs or doesn't combo unless I'm in the corner, no, matter how fast I hit DD. The only variation I could see it being helpful for is Commando.

I use it mainly as my armored WU and gap string interrupt. EX ball cancel into B23 laser into 112 Kano ball. Not worth it inside combos unless playing Commando though.

 

[OG Mannimal]

So I think D3 could be a really could anti air when people jump over you. It has a phantom hitbox the size of Kotals JIP, and since you're crouching which means a lower hitbox. Seriously set the AI to jump forward in training and laugh at the ridiculous hitbox on it. If you want more damage than a d2, d3 is great to convert off.

My thinking it's good is only based off training since I've only played a sub zero whose JP has a really good side-switching capability I suppose you can call it. Idk if anyone else uses it or has tried it who can tell me if its good or not.

 

[Diaphone]

EX Black Dragon ball's damage is on the second hit.. meaning it is better to armor through projectiles for zoning, and for the extra couple % at the end of a round to close it out.

Also I think you guys are underestimating EX upball buff. It's good for cyber as you can just kinda throw it out there after anything risk free. If it hits - you are full screen from opponent.. exactly where you want to be.

 

[Youphemism]

Your only options aren't have upball blocked or wake up block. If you think your opponent is going to be blocking wake up with a grab. If you're never going to wake up you're just making oki easier for your opponent.

Well duh but that's not what we're discussing, this is if the opponent is going to attack. You COULD EX Up Ball but you've spent a bar to do a relatively small amount of damage just to not take the attack when you could've just blocked it had you known they were going to attack. If they don't attack then yes you can wake up throw which is what I do because I think wake up throw is a great addition to the game as a defensive tool.

Upball? Great buff, he surely needs it. Straight ball EX? Not even a real buff because everyone cancels on hit. Useless. Commando choke? Not a buff, a fix.

Really? Great buff? It's almost useless to be honest. These changes help Commando the most, meanwhile Cybernetic is still the same as it was before...

 

[SaltShaker]

Well duh but that's not what we're discussing, this is if the opponent is going to attack. You COULD EX Up Ball but you've spent a bar to do a relatively small amount of damage just to not take the attack when you could've just blocked it had you known they were going to attack. If they don't attack then yes you can wake up throw which is what I do because I think wake up throw is a great addition to the game as a defensive tool.

Really? Great buff? It's almost useless to be honest. These changes help Commando the most, meanwhile Cybernetic is still the same as it was before...

Great buff for Commando, should've been more specific. In Cyber I already prefer EX Ball cancel and EX Laser as combo WU's, and would rather take the risk/reward. And they still didn't fix the Commando Grab inconsistencies. This patch was an insult to Kano.

 

[Youphemism]

Great buff for Commando, should've been more specific. In Cyber I already prefer EX Ball cancel and EX Laser as combo WU's, and would rather take the risk/reward. And they still didn't fix the Commando Grab inconsistencies. This patch was an insult to Kano.

These changes affected us just as much as Quan's affected him or Kung Jins affected him. As in BARELY.

 

[SaltShaker]

These changes affected us just as much as Quan's affected him or Kung Jins affected him. As in BARELY.

Meanwhile Kitana, Liu, and Shinnok and standing on our shoulders having a good laugh.

 

[Error]

Are we surprised that we didn't get huge buffs though? I remember quite a few people being pretty adamant about him not needing anything, so besides choke we got dem luxury buffs™.

 

[DFC]

Are we surprised that we didn't get huge buffs though? I remember quite a few people being pretty adamant about him not needing anything, so besides choke we got dem luxury buffs™.

As of this moment, I'm annoyed that EX Kano ball got a buff, while OH B1 is still goofy

 

[LEGI0N47]

@SaltShaker You're exactly right. The "he's fine" parade has ridden us right to the bottom third of the game.

Doesn't help that we don't have any big time top players repping us other than the occasional sentence or so a week here or there from Coach and Hippo who much of TYM see's very little of. No disrespect to you two. Both of you produce great content IMO. But I also understand how nauseating TYM can be as well as a time suck. And I know some of you Kano players are mighty solid. But lets face it, in the larger community unless you place, are well known at a "scene," or similar you apparently can't have a correct opinion that the wider TYM will respond too. Notice they almost always side with the "top players." (Except Tom or Dave because it appears to be a TYM sport to blow them up even when they're totally right) If unsure there are a number option selects to use while contributing nothing but bumping a post and upping your post count.

Other than that those that do mention him on stream or whatever march on with "he's fine." Or my favorite "Yeah Kano....yeah...he's solid" Translation "I don't know shit about him but he seems legit or at least I heard so somewhere."


We have a whopping 2 people that come by here and shit on him and aren't afraid to speak up about it. Dave and dribirut, the first being far more civil and classy about it. The rest of us (i'm also guilty at many junctures) walk on egg shells at calling it like it really is trying to grasp on to the few good things he has in a game full of utter BS that countless people defend. Why I do not know. I can only speculate as to why I think it's like that but I've ranted enough.

Meanwhile downplaying is rampant and spreading all over TYM.

 

[Dukmunky]

@SaltShaker You're exactly right. The "he's fine" parade has ridden us right to the bottom third of the game.

Doesn't help that we don't have any big time top players repping us other than the occasional sentence or so a week here or there from Coach and Hippo who much of TYM see's very little of. No disrespect to you two. Both of you produce great content IMO. But I also understand how nauseating TYM can be as well as a time suck. And I know some of you Kano players are mighty solid. But lets face it, in the larger community unless you place, are well known at a "scene," or similar you apparently can't have a correct opinion that the wider TYM will respond too. Notice they almost always side with the "top players." (Except Tom or Dave because it appears to be a TYM sport to blow them up even when they're totally right) If unsure there are a number option selects to use while contributing nothing but bumping a post and upping your post count.

Other than that those that do mention him on stream or whatever march on with "he's fine." Or my favorite "Yeah Kano....yeah...he's solid" Translation "I don't know shit about him but he seems legit or at least I heard so somewhere."


We have a whopping 2 people that come by here and shit on him and aren't afraid to speak up about it. Dave and dribirut, the first being far more civil and classy about it. The rest of us (i'm also guilty at many junctures) walk on egg shells at calling it like it really is trying to grasp on to the few good things he has in a game full of utter BS that countless people defend. Why I do not know. I can only speculate as to why I think it's like that but I've ranted enough.

Meanwhile downplaying is rampant and spreading all over TYM.

Yeah... no. Kano needs buffs. At least range on Cutthroat's overhead and a more consistent way to damage without meter for Commando. He is just more and more outclassed with every patch.

Also we need to slow down the Cybernetic hype train. His knife is great, but one projectile does not a zoner make. Look at Quan Chi - he also has serious damage and a fucking vortex. Kano has one trick in each variation.

 

[DFC]

Normally, I'm the Doom and Gloom kinda guy. This is weird to me, @LEGI0N47

 

[LEGI0N47]

Yeah... no. Kano needs buffs. At least range on Cutthroat's overhead and a more consistent way to damage without meter for Commando. He is just more and more outclassed with every patch.

Also we need to slow down the Cybernetic hype train. His knife is great, but one projectile does not a zoner make. Look at Quan Chi - he also has serious damage and a fucking vortex. Kano has one trick in each variation.

relatively spot on.

I don't know how the cyber hype train exists. Sure he's the easiest variation to use and has some good things but is massively outclassed by half the cast in several categories.

 

[LEGI0N47]

Normally, I'm the Doom and Gloom kinda guy. This is weird to me, @LEGI0N47

I had a much larger rant going in my head. But cut it short(er). I could doom and gloom about TYM and the people who frequent it quite a bit. Trust me. Go to a major and talk to these people and see how different it is as opposed to here and then marvel at how this is what it is. Better yet get hooked up with one of the Skype chats lol