You sure about this man? I've been trying this out just now point blank (at which point you're more likely to check with D1 or D3, D4 is more about conditioning at sweep distance) and the training dummy was able to jump before the F4 is active, which also conversely means they can retaliate with armor...
Yes. 214 cancel shaves off so much recovery on the blockstun that he can fireball cancel and do pretty much anything under 20 frames for free.
is there a reason to not cancel from a 4?
chance to hit a char who wants to get hit by the last hit of 214, you do 21~fbc 2 and they get hit
hm but in both cases i could just duck after the 21. nice to know, thx guys.
Of course you can, but that's a straight guess, if scorpion do a b3 after 21~FBC you will still get hit by his combo.
hm true. the scorpions i played didnt mix it up that much.
All depends on what you're thinking about retaliating with. If 21 FBRC is +4 (keep in mind, the numbers in the OP are rough estimates, it could be more), the only thing that could beat a B3 follow-up is a 6 frame move. Not many characters have a 6 frame poke.
so b3 is 10 ok.
Sorry i meant F3, B3 seems much slower than F3.
Well you would be wrong since B3 is 1 frame faster than F3
but a Mid is always better at catching jumpouts than a low.
1). The third hit of 214 is a mid.
Yes it is, but run cancel into B3 takes at least 1 frame delay because you're going from F to B, while F3 will come out on the first available frame, its possible to stuff it out but since its a thigh window to do so and can't be low profiled or backdashed, might as well just armor out of it to escape.Well you would be wrong since B3 is 1 frame faster than F3
I think B3 has underrated range though, it punishes a lot of things that I thought only F3 could reach, which is worth considering since B3 doesn't knock back as far and makes it easier to land a FBRC combo if you're punishing something with a lot of pushback.
i mean you could take the hit of the 4 n purpose
If your opponent anticipates that you will purposely eat the 4 of the 2,1,4 string they can EX Spears to catch you.
Yeah. Might as well try for a crouchjab, I guess. If they do 21FBC214, your crouchjab will get in during the FBC. Even an uppercut would work.
thats mindgames i guess
And even if they accidentally do FBC, they can still do a quick EX hell-ferno which is pretty much guaranteed.
I just beat Cassie's flipkick with d4 so it's at least +3I'm playing around with B1 FBRC right now and I suspect it could be plus on block. I'm trading D1 with Cassie's flipkick and stuffing Kung Lao's spin so it's at least neutral.
@HeroesNZ @Triplswing (or anyone else) - can you guys check over it if you haven't already? It's 5am at the time of this post and my execution is probably a bit deteriorated right now.
Nice. Can't give your execution enough props man, lol.
