Week 7 Character Salt Report

[MrProfDrPepper]

It's a shame more people don't see it like you. Not just Kenshi mains either, the entire community could benefit from that approach.



I think you've hit the nail on the head. It's ok for some characters to not be top tier, or at least to work with what you've got until it hopefully gets adjusted, without spilling saltiness into every thread and reacting with indiginant outrage at anyone who mentions they think a character is ok, like this isn't supposed to be an option in it's current state. Kenshi isn't top tier, but I think MK9 has warped certain players perspectives as to what IS a balanced character, and Kenshi is very playable for the time being, anyone arguing otherwise is either biased and salty as hell, or just blindly agreeing with those who shout it the loudest

well thank you for the compliment of how i view things, also I am extremely thankful nether realm gave my boy kenshi some buffs in this next hotfix/patch/whatever XD it means that maybe i can find even more tech with kenshi, it gives me more to work with and more fun to be had

 

[Rean]

Didn't 16 bit win last week's GGA tourney? I saw a lot of nice Kitana footage in it.

can you link the footage? i have troubles finding it and genuinely want to watch

 

[Charybdis]

Nice to see kitana mains spreading their salt all over tym

 

[Take$$$]

Lol this!

The hate and bias against Kitana is so damn real.

It's ok though. Dizzy exposed all the idiots who would invade Kitana threads stating she was "fine" and "probably the best zoner". Those poor bastards, lol.

To be fair, I don't think Kitana is nearly as bad as Kenshi was. Then again, I don't like comparing characters in this game, since I feel like comparing variations is much more accurate.

I also think that peoples opinions on Kitana have less to do with the character and more to do with her players, which isn't fair when it comes to balance but that's how it is. The backlash at the Kitana community isn't entirely unjustified either, but its gotten to the point where both sides(not everyone, but a lot of people) are cemented in unhealthy and ridiculous extremes.

 

[Awsumpossm]

To be fair, I don't think Kitana is nearly as bad as Kenshi was. Then again, I don't like comparing characters in this game, since I feel like comparing variations is much more accurate.

I also think that peoples opinions on Kitana have less to do with the character and more to do with her players, which isn't fair when it comes to balance but that's how it is. The backlash at the Kitana community isn't entirely unjustified either, but its gotten to the point where both sides(not everyone, but a lot of people) are cemented in unhealthy and ridiculous extremes.

As a Kitana main, I feel like the character was viable even before the latest buff to her b1 speed, which is great. She definitely forces most opponents to play her game (not ALL opponents, mind you, INF Scorpion and FA Jacqui come to mind).

She may not have a good 50/50 game, her wakeups and her normals are pretty bad, but she does have pretty much everything else going for her. She completely shuts down the air. She has a multitude of low options and good damage (40% meterless midscreen, 48% one bar corner).

Honestly I used to think she was bad just due to her lack of an overhead combo starter, but my playstyle has evolved and my mentality has changed since then. I think the real issue with Kitana's bad matchups is that her zoning is completely nullified, forcing her to stay on the opponent with very little mixup options to maintain pressure.

 

[Ugodimak]

Came back to this thread because I got this slight nagging itch that certain members of the Kitana community were tossing their salt fans all over this thread. And alas, what do I see? It's the same member as usual.

Look, I'm not going to sit here and say Kitana is "fine", because quite frankly, I don't give a shit if she is or not. You guys have been crying on damn near every thread made that has nothing to do with her, every status update on your profile, and even in stream chats where every single comment you make is about Kitana being shit when the bitch hasn't been used ONCE in the whole damn stream! Just...

5 of the 8 people on my ignore list are Kitana players. They are the most unbearable and entitled people I have ever had the displeasure to come across on the internet. Oh, and I love how you will come out the woodwork like wasps attacking anybody(including top players) that dare say anything good about Kitana by ganging up on them and bashing them, but unquestionably take Dizzy's word as biblical law when he said she was the "worst character in the game." Pretty convenient huh?

Kitana has been buffed twice in the last two updates, if you still feel like she's a "shitter", then maybe NRS decided to go with her "horrible design choice" on purpose or feel as if she's fine themselves. Oh well, nothing you can do but hold that shit and either...

A) Use another character, like some of you have been doing for weeks now and probably haven't even touched Kitana ever since, yet still have the nerve to shit on and downplay everybody that's having success with because their opponents "Don't know the matchup" in a game that's been out for little over a month or...

B) Make her work until she gets more buffs.

Until then, continue being the worst and most childish community in the history of NRS games.

Spoiler

Please note that I'm obviously not referring to all of you, but certain members that give you a bad name. If you feel this post was directed at you and take offense to it, oh well....

 

[xWildx]

Came back to this thread because I got this slight nagging itch that certain members of the Kitana community were tossing their salt fans all over this thread. And alas, what do I see? It's the same member as usual.

Look, I'm not going to sit here and say Kitana is "fine", because quite frankly, I don't give a shit if she is or not. You guys have been crying on damn near every thread made that has nothing to do with her, every status update on your profile, and even in stream chats where every single comment you make is about Kitana being shit when the bitch hasn't been used ONCE in the whole damn stream! Just...

5 of the 8 people on my ignore list are Kitana players. They are the most unbearable and entitled people I have ever had the displeasure to come across on the internet. Oh, and I love how you will come out the woodwork like wasps attacking anybody(including top players) that dare say anything good about Kitana by ganging up on them and bashing them, but unquestionably take Dizzy's word as biblical law when he said she was the "worst character in the game." Pretty convenient huh?

Kitana has been buffed twice in the last two updates, if you still feel like she's a "shitter", then maybe NRS decided to go with her "horrible design choice" on purpose or feel as if she's fine themselves. Oh well, nothing you can do but hold that shit and either...

A) Use another character, like some of you have been doing for weeks now and probably haven't even touched Kitana ever since, yet still have the nerve to shit on and downplay everybody that's having success with because their opponents "Don't know the matchup" in a game that's been out for little over a month or...

B) Make her work until she gets more buffs.

Until then, continue being the worst and most childish community in the history of NRS games.

Spoiler

Please note that I'm obviously not referring to all of you, but certain members that give you a bad name. If you feel this post was directed at you and take offense to it, oh well....

No offense, but the Kitana complaining is almost as obnoxious as your complaining about it. The Kitana community has all but dried up with only a handful of people even bothering with her at this point. Yet, the rhetoric of "she's fine" and "just play better" are what all the current and prior Kitana mains were told.

As far as I can tell she's commonly considered one of the worst characters in the game at this point, and we see that as a problem. Do people need to mention in it every thread? No. But as I've stated in the past the Kitana community is a powderkeg, and if we read something we see as blatant misinformation or wrong.... then we'll speak up. Several of us are still grinding and attempting to find tech (myself included), but no one seems to care about that when they drop her to play Sonya, D'Vorah, or Tanya.

 

[I GOT HANDS]

I've seen more complaint ABOUT the Kitana community than from them. I don't understand why they get all this hate, yet the Kenshi community, which is at least 3 times as vocal as them, constantly going off topic and derailing threads into irrelevant balance disputes, with a character BETTER than Kitana even before the buffs, gets mostly praise for their efforts to get NRS to rebalance the game. I guess that's what having a high-profile name spearheading your bitching and throwing tantrums on forums/streams/real life tournaments can do for your cause as far as public support goes, even though he has literally the worst reputation for whinging amongst fighting game communities as far as MK players go, andthat the championing of this special snowflake's constant tears reflects nothing but poorly on the image of the entire NRS gaming community amongst others, but oh well.


Those damn Kitana mains amirite they're the REAL dicks here aye

 

[xWildx]

I've seen more complaint ABOUT the Kitana community than from them. I don't understand why they get all this hate, yet the Kenshi community, which is at least 3 times as vocal as them, constantly going off topic and derailing threads into irrelevant balance disputes, with a character BETTER than Kitana even before the buffs, gets mostly praise for their efforts to get NRS to rebalance the game. I guess that's what having a high-profile name spearheading your bitching and throwing tantrums on forums/streams/real life tournaments can do for your cause as far as public support goes, even though he has literally the worst reputation for whinging amongst fighting game communities as far as MK players go, and the championing of this Child's constant tears reflects nothing but poorly on the image of the entire NRS gaming community amongst others, but oh well.


Those damn Kitana mains amirite they're the REAL dicks here aye

I have nothing against who you're speaking about, but having such a high profile name speaking publicly on your behalf certainly does help.

 

[RunwayMafia]

To be fair, I don't think Kitana is nearly as bad as Kenshi was. Then again, I don't like comparing characters in this game, since I feel like comparing variations is much more accurate.

I also think that peoples opinions on Kitana have less to do with the character and more to do with her players, which isn't fair when it comes to balance but that's how it is. The backlash at the Kitana community isn't entirely unjustified either, but its gotten to the point where both sides(not everyone, but a lot of people) are cemented in unhealthy and ridiculous extremes.

Lol, poor Ugodimak. Don't mind him. Talk about being salty...he used to like all my posts until I caught him whining about Subzeros psuedo nerfs. Had to check his ass in his own crybaby status update. He brings me up as much as he can...it's really weird.

Anyway, anyone and everyone with a brainstem knew Kitana was the worst in the game. Dizzy, who won Combo Breaker and has long since been a brilliant fighting game player, even explained in great detail why HE thought she was the worst in the game. It's all about frame data.

I find it amusing that in the same sentence he mentioned Kenshi was better off than Kitana from the start...lol, but I digress.

I think it's utterly ridiculous to judge Kitana the character by her represenatives. So many top kitana players as well as just top players in general (who are all very smart and compete offline, mind you) have all said she was wretched from the start and still is. They just didnt want to say it on tym because of loud mouth assholes who have no idea.

There is a reason Tre only plays Cassie and Sonya when it matters and Riyo plays Sonya and Quan now (both tourny players who used to defend her "viableness".)

TLDR; A ton of well known players that you all root for agree with the loud Kitana players on TYM, because it's obvious as hell, but want to avoid comments like yours. (No disrespect)

Thank God Dizzy spoke up.

 

[RunwayMafia]

I've seen more complaint ABOUT the Kitana community than from them. I don't understand why they get all this hate, yet the Kenshi community, which is at least 3 times as vocal as them, constantly going off topic and derailing threads into irrelevant balance disputes, with a character BETTER than Kitana even before the buffs, gets mostly praise for their efforts to get NRS to rebalance the game. I guess that's what having a high-profile name spearheading your bitching and throwing tantrums on forums/streams/real life tournaments can do for your cause as far as public support goes, even though he has literally the worst reputation for whinging amongst fighting game communities as far as MK players go, andthat the championing of this special snowflake's constant tears reflects nothing but poorly on the image of the entire NRS gaming community amongst others, but oh well.


Those damn Kitana mains amirite they're the REAL dicks here aye

Thank you. Finally, someone with common sense.

And lets be real, it's a select group of people who hate the Kitana community and the character. They hate her because they like to jump. Like Kangaroos. That's why she is "fine". Lol

 

[Take$$$]

Lol, poor Ugodimak. Don't mind him. Talk about being salty...he used to like all my posts until I caught him whining about Subzeros psuedo nerfs. Had to check his ass in his own crybaby status update. He brings me up as much as he can...it's really weird.

Anyway, anyone and everyone with a brainstem knew Kitana was the worst in the game. Dizzy, who won Combo Breaker and has long since been a brilliant fighting game player, even explained in great detail why HE thought she was the worst in the game. It's all about frame data.

I find it amusing that in the same sentence he mentioned Kenshi was better off than Kitana from the start...lol, but I digress.

I think it's utterly ridiculous to judge Kitana the character by her represenatives. So many top kitana players as well as just top players in general (who are all very smart and compete offline, mind you) have all said she was wretched from the start and still is. They just didnt want to say it on tym because of loud mouth assholes who have no idea.

There is a reason Tre only plays Cassie and Sonya when it matters and Riyo plays Sonya and Quan now (both tourny players who used to defend her "viableness".)

TLDR; A ton of well known players that you all root for agree with the loud Kitana players on TYM, because it's obvious as hell, but want to avoid comments like yours. (No disrespect)

Thank God Dizzy spoke up.

Dizzy is an amazing player that has his opinion that rightly carries more weight than mine. However I'm not going to default to his opinion when I feel the opposite on the whole prepatch Kenshi vs Kitana thing.

Of course its ridiculous that people judge a character by its reps instead of the character itself, but that's what has been happening. Though I don't understand why people would want to avoid a comment like mine, I'm fairly neutral in this whole thing and think both sides have a point.

I agree that she needs help, but not to the extent some Kitana players say she does. But this is why I don't like comparing or focusing on entire characters in this game, it goes deeper than that. They could focus on helping just one Kitana variation(for now) to give her a variation with a higher theoretical tier placement, which is much easier than trying to balance 3 variations at once if they're stuck and don't know what to do with an entire character.

Also, people are saying not every character can be top tier, and thats fine. However I think its entirely reasonable to expect that every character should have at least 1 variation that's high or top tier, and as is the game is pretty close to achieving that already. There are only a few characters imo that don't have that, and while Kitana is one of them she's not the only one. I think a variation tier list could have 35+ variations in the high to top tier spot, so why not aim for something like that and give help to those lacking a slot?

 

[Wigy]

Im not sure if im missing something are people actually complainng about cages b12121212 string. In the corner block 4-5 reps and ur out of range. So OP

 

[Jimmypotato]

Dizzy is an amazing player that has his opinion that rightly carries more weight than mine. However I'm not going to default to his opinion when I feel the opposite on the whole prepatch Kenshi vs Kitana thing.

Of course its ridiculous that people judge a character by its reps instead of the character itself, but that's what has been happening. Though I don't understand why people would want to avoid a comment like mine, I'm fairly neutral in this whole thing and think both sides have a point.

I agree that she needs help, but not to the extent some Kitana players say she does. But this is why I don't like comparing or focusing on entire characters in this game, it goes deeper than that. They could focus on helping just one Kitana variation(for now) to give her a variation with a higher theoretical tier placement, which is much easier than trying to balance 3 variations at once if they're stuck and don't know what to do with an entire character.

Also, people are saying not every character can be top tier, and thats fine. However I think its entirely reasonable to expect that every character should have at least 1 variation that's high or top tier, and as is the game is pretty close to achieving that already. There are only a few characters imo that don't have that, and while Kitana is one of them she's not the only one. I think a variation tier list could have 35+ variations in the high to top tier spot, so why not aim for something like that and give help to those lacking a slot?

It's fine and dandy if a character is not top tier or even great in a game. But when a character is so blatenly not finished it becomes frustrating for the people that play her.

If you actually read the Kitana forums or where part of it, you would see that we don't complain, we try to help eachother, and talk about shit. Even Bit has been back in there, offering advice, and strats, it's actually a nice little vibe.

The bad vibe we have is from a few people, and then there are all the other people that shit on us because we are not happy. Well we have a right to not be happy.

How can you "add" a move in one patch, and change a little bit of frame data in another. Say a move got damage buff but it actually didn't. And try to tell me that at launch this character was complete. How can you have a character with that bad of frame data compared to the rest of the cast. It's not about a 50/50 for her. 95% of people on this site DON"T even know why she is bad, and it makes it funny to read what everone says about her.

Look at the Kenshi Hotfix, is it so far out there to think, the character just got "finished". like they had a time crunch and a buncha shit on there plate, and didn't get around to finishing balancing his frames before launch and in the first month, so they finally got around to it? Who really knows, but that is alot of addjustments to make Just like that.

I mean, I can't imagine they were sitting there, after launch working on DLC and thought, Oh shit guys, Kitana needs a low starter, someone make that animation up and lets throw it in here really quick, no, to me that was suppose to be in there day 1. That was a planned move that they didn't have time to test and have in on launch day. The game is still being finished, right up until the last patch.

So while everyone sits around thinking she is getting little Buffs here and there. I'm sitting here thinking, they will finish her by the last patch, which I think will be Oct, and they are taking there time because there is the potential to break her and make her too good if things aren't done properly. They have the advantage of seeing how things are playing out now, and making sure things are balanced by the end.

If she ends up being a shitter in the end, so be it. But people really need to stop shitting on the Kitana Community, because people that main the character have a right to be upset, and yes, I believe Kenshi was better then Kitana before he got his fixes.

I think the people that shit on the Kitty community are the people that lose to her consistently, which makes them salty because they aren't smart enough to figure out why she is bad, or how to beat her, which basically just means they are bad players.

So stay free to Kitana and long live the fuckin Princess of Edenia.

Rant over (i'm at work and very tired, I had a good point to make then I just side tracked off, so whatever lol)

 

[Jimmypotato]

I agree that she needs help, but not to the extent some Kitana players say she does.

You main D'Vorah? Come on man.

 

[NapalmCL]

Im not sure if im missing something are people actually complainng about cages b12121212 string. In the corner block 4-5 reps and ur out of range. So OP

Blocking is stupid it's an infinite combo just drop your controller when it happens thanks. (People seriously are stupid enough to just stand in it though)

Also it feels awkward making jokes in between such serious discussion.

I don't play Kitana but her D3 needs an animation buff... or... something.

 

[Take$$$]

It's fine and dandy if a character is not top tier or even great in a game. But when a character is so blatenly not finished it becomes frustrating for the people that play her.

If you actually read the Kitana forums or where part of it, you would see that we don't complain, we try to help eachother, and talk about shit. Even Bit has been back in there, offering advice, and strats, it's actually a nice little vibe.

The bad vibe we have is from a few people, and then there are all the other people that shit on us because we are not happy. Well we have a right to not be happy.

How can you "add" a move in one patch, and change a little bit of frame data in another. Say a move got damage buff but it actually didn't. And try to tell me that at launch this character was complete. How can you have a character with that bad of frame data compared to the rest of the cast. It's not about a 50/50 for her. 95% of people on this site DON"T even know why she is bad, and it makes it funny to read what everone says about her.

Look at the Kenshi Hotfix, is it so far out there to think, the character just got "finished". like they had a time crunch and a buncha shit on there plate, and didn't get around to finishing balancing his frames before launch and in the first month, so they finally got around to it? Who really knows, but that is alot of addjustments to make Just like that.

I mean, I can't imagine they were sitting there, after launch working on DLC and thought, Oh shit guys, Kitana needs a low starter, someone make that animation up and lets throw it in here really quick, no, to me that was suppose to be in there day 1. That was a planned move that they didn't have time to test and have in on launch day. The game is still being finished, right up until the last patch.

So while everyone sits around thinking she is getting little Buffs here and there. I'm sitting here thinking, they will finish her by the last patch, which I think will be Oct, and they are taking there time because there is the potential to break her and make her too good if things aren't done properly. They have the advantage of seeing how things are playing out now, and making sure things are balanced by the end.

If she ends up being a shitter in the end, so be it. But people really need to stop shitting on the Kitana Community, because people that main the character have a right to be upset, and yes, I believe Kenshi was better then Kitana before he got his fixes.

I think the people that shit on the Kitty community are the people that lose to her consistently, which makes them salty because they aren't smart enough to figure out why she is bad, or how to beat her, which basically just means they are bad players.

So stay free to Kitana and long live the fuckin Princess of Edenia.

Rant over (i'm at work and very tired, I had a good point to make then I just side tracked off, so whatever lol)

I'm not sure why you find my post so disagreeable, if anything its more supportive of the Kitana needs help side of the argument than the opposite. My little brother played her a lot before dropping her for multiple reasons, so I have a decent understanding of the character and the community though it is not a complete one, which is why I try to be as fair as possible when discussing her and take in a lot of what people say.

However, I am saying that neither side is innocent when it comes to how terribly they interact with each other. What I'm not saying is that everyone involved in the discussions is guilty of dragging it down to such a low level. However there are plenty on both sides that are.

You main D'Vorah? Come on man.

What's your point though? I've been maining SQ since I first went to the character select screen and have never downplayed her lol.

 

[RunwayMafia]

Dizzy is an amazing player that has his opinion that rightly carries more weight than mine. However I'm not going to default to his opinion when I feel the opposite on the whole prepatch Kenshi vs Kitana thing.

Of course its ridiculous that people judge a character by its reps instead of the character itself, but that's what has been happening. Though I don't understand why people would want to avoid a comment like mine, I'm fairly neutral in this whole thing and think both sides have a point.

I agree that she needs help, but not to the extent some Kitana players say she does. But this is why I don't like comparing or focusing on entire characters in this game, it goes deeper than that. They could focus on helping just one Kitana variation(for now) to give her a variation with a higher theoretical tier placement, which is much easier than trying to balance 3 variations at once if they're stuck and don't know what to do with an entire character.

Also, people are saying not every character can be top tier, and thats fine. However I think its entirely reasonable to expect that every character should have at least 1 variation that's high or top tier, and as is the game is pretty close to achieving that already. There are only a few characters imo that don't have that, and while Kitana is one of them she's not the only one. I think a variation tier list could have 35+ variations in the high to top tier spot, so why not aim for something like that and give help to those lacking a slot?

You said she is/was better than Kenshi and was in need of a little "help". Lol. Your comment is far from neutral.

It just grows tiresome having to defend and explain this character to a community full of uninformed fools. She was/is unviable. Dizzy said it. The offline players that you all watch have moved on to characters with actual complete metas. It's all right there...the proof has been dealt.

My original point that you quoted was that we have been DRASTICALLY treated differently by this wretched community. Members have invaded our threads with whines to the heavens that she is fine and needs no help. Propagandist experts such as REO and Tom Brady have all stressed she is fine and tried to sell a day 3 gimmick as a 5050. Meanwhile, top kitanas and top players in pms have littered the convos about how "not so smart" people are defending her bizarre design.

We have never gone around demanding other characters nerfs. We just want to compete...and it'd be nice to have a plus or nuetral frame in this game. She is clearly unfinished and its blantantly obvious.

You and I both main Dvorah. I know our priveledge.

 

[Take$$$]

You said she is/was better than Kenshi and was in need of a little "help". Lol. Your comment is far from neutral.

It just grows tiresome having to defend and explain this character to a community full of uninformed fools. She was/is unviable. Dizzy said it. The offline players that you all watch have moved on to characters with actual complete metas. It's all right there...the proof has been dealt.

My original point that you quoted was that we have been DRASTICALLY treated differently by this wretched community. Members have invaded our threads with whines to the heavens that she is fine and needs no help. Propagandist experts such as REO and Tom Brady have all stressed she is fine and tried to sell a day 3 gimmick as a 5050. Meanwhile, top kitanas and top players in pms have littered the convos about how "not so smart" people are defending her bizarre design.

We have never gone around demanding other characters nerfs. We just want to compete...and it'd be nice to have a plus or nuetral frame in this game. She is clearly unfinished and its blantantly obvious.

You and I both main Dvorah. I know our priveledge.

I said that I think she was better than Kenshi before the patch, that doesn't suddenly make me anti-Kitana. I didn't think either character was fantastic.

I also didn't say she needs a little help, I straight up said she needs help but not to the extent some Kitana players think(I should have referenced posts I was thinking about, since I'm sure you and some other Kitana players would agree with me). You're right, I'm not entirely neutral, I'm leaning more in support of her getting help while trying to be reasonable about it as I'm sure you are as well.

Yes the Kitana community has been treated differently, maybe even unfairly, I don't know. But it's not like it came from nowhere. There has been lots of aggression on both sides that still provoke each other so it just goes on in an unproductive circle.

I mained Jade in mk9 so I know all about maining bad characters, so I definitely feel lucky to have so easily landed on D'Vorah haha. But my main shouldn't suddenly disqualify any opinion I may have about a worse character when my main has nothing to do with the conversation, thats just silly.

 

[RunwayMafia]

I said that I think she was better than Kenshi before the patch, that doesn't suddenly make me anti-Kitana. I didn't think either character was fantastic.

I also didn't say she needs a little help, I straight up said she needs help but not to the extent some Kitana players think(I should have referenced posts I was referring to, since I'm sure you and some other Kitana players would agree with me). You're right, I'm not entirely neutral, I'm leaning more in support of her getting help while trying to be reasonable about it as I'm sure you are as well.

Yes the Kitana community has been treated differently, maybe even unfairly, I don't know. But its not like it came from nowhere. There has been lots of aggression on both sides that still provoke each other so it just goes on in an unproductive circle.

I mained Jade in mk9 so I know all about maining bad characters, so I definitely feel lucky to have so easily landed on D'Vorah haha. But my main shouldn't suddenly disqualify any opinion I may have about a worse character when my main has nothing to do with the conversation, thats just silly.

How ironic...I also mained Jade in Mk9. I actually defended her to this community as being a threat and she totally had tools. She had 0 on block strings, nice pressure, and omg GLOW. Just needed better damage and the ability to link staff slam from 12.

At this point in time, I main Kitana, Dvorah, and Sub. Learning Tanya.

The difference between you and I (again, no disrespect, just being real) is that I dont go around telling Takeda, Reptile, Goro, Kenshi, Mileena, Shinnok etc, players that their characters are fine and try to passively aggressively inform them that people are annoyed with their communities. I will let them decide on what is needed, becuase quite frankly, I dont know. That's up to THEM.

I speak up for our community because a lot of the Kitana players are cowards and are scared to speak up publicly. That sounds harsh, but this community would gasp at the text messages of what top players are really saying about Kitana.

Again, not entirely directed at you, but I would never even attempt to educate a Takeda or Goro player or whomever, on how "fine" or "viable" their character is in the game. Considering I main Dvorah and Sub...I'll gladly let them educate us.

 

[Take$$$]

How ironic...I also mained Jade in Mk9. I actually defended her to this community as being a threat and she totally had tools. She had 0 on block strings, nice pressure, and omg GLOW. Just needed better damage and the ability to link staff slam from 12.

At this point in time, I main Kitana, Dvorah, and Sub. Learning Tanya.

The difference between you and I (again, no disrespect, just being real) is that I dont go around telling Takeda, Reptile, Goro, Kenshi, Mileena, Shinnok etc, players that their characters are fine and try to passively aggressively inform them that people are annoyed with their communities. I will let them decide on what is needed, becuase quite frankly, I dont know. That's up to THEM.

I speak up for our community because a lot of the Kitana players are cowards and are scared to speak up publicly. That sounds harsh, but this community would gasp at the text messages of what top players are really saying about Kitana.

Again, not entirely directed at you, but I would never even attempt to educate a Takeda or Goro player or whomever, on how "fine" or "viable" their character is in the game. Considering I main Dvorah and Sub...I'll gladly let them educate us.

There is no difference between us in that respect though. I don't go around telling other players that either. Where are you getting this??? I agree with you on most things here. Its like you're reading stuff that isn't there. I like you a lot man, you helped me big this week and I'll never forget that, but come on.

I'm not passively aggressively informing you of anything, you already know people are annoyed with the Kitana community. Everyone knows it. I'm just trying to keep both sides honest in the part they play, since they both seem to be claiming innocence. Both sides in any situation like this could be a little more respectful in the way they communicate, which would greatly raise the quality of discussion.

 

[RunwayMafia]

There is no difference between us in that respect though. I don't go around telling other players that either. Where are you getting this??? I agree with you on most things here. Its like you're reading stuff that isn't there. I like you a lot man, you helped me big this week and I'll never forget that, but come on.

I'm not passively aggressively informing you of anything, you already know people are annoyed with the Kitana community. Everyone knows it. I'm just trying to keep both sides honest in the part they play, since they both seem to be claiming innocence. Both sides in any situation like this could be a little more respectful in the way they communicate, which would greatly raise the quality of discussion.

Lol, we are def friends and we share a main in Dvorah. This isn't all directed at you...

I'm just kindly reminding you that you originally quoted me stating you thought Kitana was better off than Kenshi ( for which a whole slew of offline players would laugh at) and that you felt she was fine and in need of a "little help".

I just find it rather amusing since you dont main either character and would never put $$$ on the line for either.

Considering you main Dvorah, and I do main Kitana...perhaps you shouldnt even speak on the potential "help" she may or may not need. Just sayin'...

 

[Mortal Komhat]

i'm gonna be disappointed if goro isn't on the next salt report because the community seriously thinks that whining on the forums will actually get the character every buff they ever wanted.

 

[Take$$$]

Lol, we are def friends and we share a main in Dvorah. This isn't all directed at you...

I'm just kindly reminding you that you originally quoted me stating you thought Kitana was better off than Kenshi ( for which a whole slew of offline players would laugh at) and that you felt she was fine and in need of a "little help".

I just find it rather amusing since you dont main either character and would never put $$$ on the line for either.

Considering you main Dvorah, and I do main Kitana...perhaps you shouldnt even speak on the potential "help" she may or may not need. Just sayin'...

I know man

I said that I think Kitana was better than Kenshi prepatch, that has nothing to do with how Kenshi is now since he's obviously much better. Don't really care at all how many people would laugh at that, let em.

I don't main Kenshi but I was labbing him and playing him against my little brothers Kitana/Ermac/Cassie as a potential secondary before the patch, so I have some experience with him even though I don't plan on picking him back up. Like I said, my little brother mained Kitana for a while and we work together a lot in the lab. I may not main her but I do know a thing or two about her. And again, I never said a little help, I straight up said she needs help. Would you rather me replace the word help with buff or fix or complete or something? Its all the same to me so idc.

 

[exflyingbooty]

.Both sides in any situation like this could be a little more respectful in the way they communicate, which would greatly raise the quality of discussion.

Alright, when people walk into our forums and tell us that our character is fine when they put no time and effort into the character it's insulting. When people post literally day 2 tech and try to make it seem like it's the grandfather of all mixups, guess what? It's insulting.Nobody who plays kitana wants her top tier. We just want a character who is actually viable, so when people have the audacity to say she is when she's not it's a really big fuck you. I personally would love if kitana had really good pokes and controlled space a bit better on the floor but everyone has different views on the character.

It's also really insulting when there are threads such as "buff quan chi" "buff scorpion""Raiden no longer having a 6 frame mid is unfair" "buff ermac" "reptile is a bottom 5 character and we deserve luxury buffs" and when we ask for buffs which believe it or not none of them are actually going to break her we get shut down. Oh, and guess what? Our character is still bugged. Parry doesn't do it's job because you can still block after your opponent does a throw and her glaives are still wonky.

Sorry if there's hostility from our community but we're just giving back the warm welcome we've received.