General/Other - Shinnok Shinnok General Discussion Thread

[NoxiousDonny]

-11 on block and you cannot cancel it into a special

Well, you can connect mimicry and stuff, so..

I mean, obviously it's not as good as if you could cancel it, but you can still follow it up.

 

[LavaG]

Finally

 

[Reptile_Style]

Wait so you CANNOT cancel into a move??
Damn.. I was hoping to at least be able to cancel into fiend flick.

 

[Juggs]

It's 18f, calm your tits lol. It's REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY GOOD that it's an overhead but it's 18f...

And? What's wrong with it being 18f?

 

[ShintaroNayaka]

I'm sure it's far from optimal, but F22xxMimicry works after his new B3. His Boneshaper F22 also connects, although it's a little trickier.

 

[legion666]

-11 on block and you cannot cancel it into a special

-11 on block and you cannot cancel it into a special

Does it have any pushback at all?!

 

[D. R.]

Thanks NRS!

 

[Wemfs]

The day finally came guys.

 

[Shadowzan]

It appears that Hell Sparks vaults opponents A LOT higher into the air when you meter burn one of the fireballs. Looks like they altered how the fireballs count towards scale-fall or whatever the hell you want to call it. Undocumented change?

Example video (Very sure this wasn't possible pre-patch). I know it's not optimal at all since Shinnok is a meter hog, but this just shows that you can get a few more juggles in with Hell Sparks that weren't possible before. Hunt for new combos? If this is new, at least he has an unbreakable option now.

 

[RM Jonnitti]

i have returned. told ya guys you'll have me back as soon as he gets fixed

 

[Wemfs]

It appears that Hell Sparks vaults opponents A LOT higher into the air when you meter burn one of the fireballs. Looks like they altered how the fireballs count towards scale-fall or whatever the hell you want to call it. Undocumented change?

Example video (Very sure this wasn't possible pre-patch). I know it's not optimal at all since Shinnok is a meter hog, but this just shows that you can get a few more juggles in with Hell Sparks that weren't possible before. Hunt for new combos? If this is new, at least he has an unbreakable option now.

Yup I noticed this as well. They pop up extremely high now.

Nice unbreakable damage after the 1,1,2 string too. Great to close out a round.

 

[SaltShaker]

The day I have waited for has finally arrived. Arrived indeed...

 

[Shadowzan]

Thanks NRS!

First, big props to D. R. for the initial video! I wanted to build on this to see if Imposter could do something similar. It seems tricky to chain 1,1,2 into the Hell Sparks cancel one after the other. That's why I alternate between 1,1,2 Hell Sparks and Back 2, 2 Hell Sparks. Ideally, we would want more 1,1,2 strings for meter gain. Maybe I'm just missing the timing to chain 1,1,2 Hell Sparks over and over?

PRAISE TO LORD SHINNOK.

EDIT: Chip damage with Imposter damage boost with the above chip set-up is 45% LOL

 

[D. R.]

First, big props to D. R. for the initial video! I wanted to build on this to see if Imposter could do something similar. It seems tricky to chain 1,1,2 into the Hell Sparks cancel one after the other. That's why I alternate between 1,1,2 Hell Sparks and Back 2, 2 Hell Sparks. Ideally, we would want more 1,1,2 strings for meter gain. Maybe I'm just missing the timing to chain 1,1,2 Hell Sparks over and over?

PRAISE TO LORD SHINNOK.

EDIT: Chip damage with Imposter damage boost with the above chip set-up is 45% LOL

You can chain 112 hell spark cancel into itself over and over but you burn run meter faster since you have to run a bit farther. The upside of mixing in f22 is it gives time to refill your meter so you can in turn chain four hell spark cancels, suffice meter.

I'm starting to think Imposter has some useful stuff I may need to explore now. I haven't even screwed around with damage buff active yet...

 

[Doombawkz]

So tell me something, gents.
Who has the frame data for block stun scaling based on how many orbs hit?
Seems pretty clear that we get about +15 from 2 orbs, does it change based on distance?

 

[Osirun]

I am super hype about these changes. The only bummer is no more abusing Jax with unblockable ground pound. But that's okay, it was pretty unfair.

 

[D. R.]

SO yeah, with damage buff active in Imposter and if Shinnok has full meter, he can chip for 36.6% damage and back off safely with the opponent's back in the corner OR he can meter burn one hit early, leaving chip to total 34.27% and be able to go into his overhead or low in the corner ON BLOCK or hell, more chip.

Fucking nuts.

 

[Wemfs]

@GGA Max You rockin the new and improved Shinnok tonight at the arcade?

 

[Shadowzan]

Post-Mimicry chip is a thing now.

Edit: Made a thread about this since this seems like it could define the variation now.

 

[Rude]

18 frames is fine.

I wasn't too clear, but you CAN'T special cancel the OH?

What is the hit advantage of the OH?

 

[MrSunshine]

holy shit. that chip damage is now going to put use of the block breaker LOL

 

[Reptile_Style]

he can now run up and the opponent has to guess throw? low? overhead?
His 112 into fiend flick can be used to follow up chip damage, and positive on frames at that so you can poke with d4. if d4 connects you get uninterrupted f2 into maybo more chip with a blocked fiend flick?

 

[xInfra Deadx]

18 frames is fine.

I wasn't too clear, but you CAN'T special cancel the OH?

What is the hit advantage of the OH?

-11. Unsafe.

 

[Limelights]

It appears Shinnok's f4 info is bugged on the movelist. I don't know much as a player but i'm pretty sure it doesn't do 100% damage on chip.

 

[Rude]

-11. Unsafe.

On HIT? I'm not asking for block advantage.