General/Other - Sub-Zero Sub-Zero General Discussion

[Rebelo]

Which people

Susposly sumone got there hand on patch notes I feel like I'm being troll but ra hileios was the one telling the sum Kinect guys where tell him this

 

[Qwark28]

Susposly sumone got there hand on patch notes I feel like I'm being troll but ra hileios was the one telling the sum Kinect guys where tell him this

v reliable sources

illuminati

 

[Declan Deegan]

best matchups to use cryo?

 

[RM Truth]

best matchups to use cryo?

Hard to say. Cryo seems pretty underwhelming to me. All it really does is good midscreen burst damage, and a slightly better D2.

 

[mrsz]

best matchups to use cryo?

None.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

I use cryo because ice weapons > ice clone, plus he does way better mid screen combos and is more fun to play. Playing ultra defensive with weak GM combos doesn't do it for me.

 

[RunwayMafia]

@Qwark28 why do i see everyone using 242, 1, f42 slide when 242, 123 slide does 1% more damage and carries farther? I don't get it.

I think it's because if you misjudge/mistime the gravity while doing 123~slide, the slide will whiff.

I still do the 123 slide combo.

Real men do 123 slide.

 

[RM Truth]

You're mashing the inputs and cancelling your special into the net part of the string. Do it faster and cleaner

Still not getting it. Not sure how much cleaner I can do the input without sacrificing speed. It's really getting on my nerves that I can't seem to get this.

EDIT: I've gotten it like twice so far. Looking at my inputs, I'm getting DF2 DDB2. That's probably what's screwing me up, but I don't know how to rectify it yet.

 

[Qwark28]

Still not getting it. Not sure how much cleaner I can do the input without sacrificing speed. It's really getting on my nerves that I can't seem to get this.

Think of it like this

From 1 to 10, when you hit someone with f4, iceball comes out at 4

On block, iceball comes out at 6

You need to hit the iceball at 4, then input the clone between 4-6 so on block clone comes out at 6

What the OS does is input a special to catch the early cancel window on hit and either cancel or do a completely different special to catch the late window of block

 

[RM Truth]

Think of it like this

From 1 to 10, when you hit someone with f4, iceball comes out at 4

On block, iceball comes out at 6

You need to hit the iceball at 4, then input the clone between 4-6 so on block clone comes out at 6

What the OS does is input a special to catch the early cancel window on hit and either cancel or do a completely different special to catch the late window of block

I'm sorry. I understand logic, but it just isn't working for me. I've been at this for an hour, and I've gotten it like 3 times total. I can hit the option select, but I can't get the clone input out on block fast enough. I always get F42 xx clone. It's getting very frustrating.

EDIT: I think I'm getting it now. I can hit it like 80% of the time now.

 

[SZSR]

I'm not really understanding what the Patch Notes mean for Grandmaster:

• Subzero (Grandmaster) – Ice Klone now always correctly goes away on block instead of sometimes leaving a Klone with no active hitbox.

 

[Ugodimak]

I'm not really understanding what the Patch Notes mean for Grandmaster:

• Subzero (Grandmaster) – Ice Klone now always correctly goes away on block instead of sometimes leaving a Klone with no active hitbox.

I'm curious to know who has to be blocking, because if Sub Zero hits a blocking opponent and that causes the Ice Clone to go away then that's just stupid imo..

 

[Sutter Pain]

I'm not really understanding what the Patch Notes mean for Grandmaster:

• Subzero (Grandmaster) – Ice Klone now always correctly goes away on block instead of sometimes leaving a Klone with no active hitbox.

Maybe there was a bug when opponent blocked a clone it was still being left on screen. I am sure they don't mean if sub zero blocks that would just be silly.

 

[PaletteSwap]

None.

Yeah because overhead enhanced hammer and the best uppercut in the game don't count for anything. f3, 3, enhanced db2 says sup. Grandmaster is most likely the best, or most well rounded variation, but the other two are not throwaways.

@Declan Deegan

Cryomancer isn't as specialized as GM and Unbreakable so Cryo is gonna cover any match ups that deal well with getting out of the corner and ice clones. I feel more comfortable using it against characters with good teleports or charging armor moves.

 

[Qwark28]

I'm not really understanding what the Patch Notes mean for Grandmaster:

• Subzero (Grandmaster) – Ice Klone now always correctly goes away on block instead of sometimes leaving a Klone with no active hitbox.

There was a glitch where people would go through the clone.

 

[Qwark28]

Wait, I think the patch implys that clone was supposed to go away if you block anything.

 

[Ugodimak]

Wait, I think the patch implys that clone was supposed to go away if you block anything.

That is correct. Anything Sub Zero blocks causes the clone to go away.

 

[Thancruz1]

So it seems everyone got the Sub nerfs that they wanted to see. That cooldown tho! Isn't it like 4 seconds?

 

[STK]

the cool down patch sucks tho. before if you put out the clone after the bnb setup into HKD if they ate b2 on wake up you could go right into the b2,b2, d1, b12 clone combo. with the cool down you cant. you have to wait a slight sec before mixing them up.

 

[ArmageddonUMK]

Since d4 lowers the shit out of Subs hitbox, would that maybe be a potential option to prevent a blocked jump in from making the clone disappear? As using d4 to make the jk/jip whiff and then fall into clone.

 

[Runks]

 

[Syknis]

Feed me the tears ahhhhhhhhh

 

[Runks]

Feed me the tears ahhhhhhhhh

What tears? He is practically unchanged lmao

 

[SWonder916]

Sub Zero lives. There were no "nerfs" honestly..just seems like system corrections to protect against some bugs/glitches that were occasionally happening apparently

 

[STK]

the cool down i can see because people complained. but the clone going away on block sucks.