She doesn't go even with Cage and Kano. She beats them, in my opinion, because of the very reasons you just mentioned. (Jax is still uncertain) A top 10 character she is not, however. I'd go into why, but I fear for derailing this thread too much. Suffice it to say that she does everything well (zoning, counterzoning, poking, pressure) but excels in nothing. There are too many characters who can do those things better than her.
Mileena doesnt beat Cage, he isnt gonna do 'shadow kick attempts' no good cage will ever use that move outside of gaining a life lead at the beginning around in a fight where hes gonna turtle. Since you say she struggles when shes gotta chase her opponent whats to stop Cage from running away round 1, ex shadow kicking her 1st sai and gaining the life lead? She can build all the meter she wants but it wont save her in any scenario because Cage kills with chip damage and she has no armour. You cant Ex telekick him cause he can punish it ending with a nutpunch, once Mileena is in the Cage shes one of the most free characters in this game along side Sektor/Cyrax/KL/Smoke/LK.
What do you mean she excels at nothing? She is one of the best, if not the best, mid range zoning character in the game. A lot of players in this community know nothing about footsies, and I am not suggesting that you are among them, but that is the reason why they underrate the character. She may not dominate like Kabal does, but she does win some match ups by pressing a couple of buttons.ZeroEffect said:
You serious? Her footsies dont even compare to Cages in the slightest, Cage is probably one of the best footsie characters in the game as it is.
Even if "no good Cage uses the shadow kick there", the point is, among other things, D4 will beat that also just in case. (The less options your opponent has available the better, right?) And iAS, as I said, is more of a poke at that range, not spammed while he dashes and crouches.
Ok, let me put it this way. Characters with better projectile zoning... kabal, Liu kang, Noob. Characters with better close pressure... kabal, Cage, Kit, etc. When I say she excels at nothing, I mean she's not the best zoner, not the best rushdown, not the biggest damage output, not the best escape from being pressured (no armor), and not the best anti-zoner. She does all of these things well, and she has a great poke, but when you think of the first few characters that come to mind for these different tasks, she's not it.
See... this kind of statement is way too big an assumption.
Yeah i thought so. I was running that match in my mind and i kept thinking its a disaster for Freddy. Possibly 6-4.
Well, I suppose that's a fair argument.
She could opt to telekick on reaction to GP animation. She'd go over his head and no harm done.... or I guess she would do what anyone else would have to when facing GP cancels into lunge punches. Duck it and punish, or just guard it. Kicking her out of d4 is very situational. Even if we find out Jax does beat her, that wouldn't be the big factor in the match-up.
7/3 Liu Kang? Yeah, that is kinda nuts... However, I was originally tempted to put it in Liu's favor at first. Looking at it though, he doesn't really doing anything she can't deal with. He zones better in terms of having 3 level fireballs, but he doesn't get combos off them like she can. And she can actually telekick his fireballs somewhat easier than, say, a noob shadow. She also gets a nice punish on a whiffed parry now that the patch made it so B3 beats parries clean. There really isn't a whole lot that he has to make her scared to do her thing. LK prefers to get in close, but he can play from distance. He's all around very solid, but it just feels as though neither character has a real advantage at any point on the screen.
How is that ever too big of an assumption. List out what options she has from fullscreen that can give her the lifelead against Cage, that cant be punished by him on reaction?
With the exception of Kabal, I would take Mileena over any of those characters. Admittedly, Cyrax, Kitana, and Raiden are debatable. Coincidentally, the only reason REO is not using Mileena is because Kabal is better.ZeroEffect said:
*sigh* I'm not talking about who has better attack options from full screen. The overall assumption that a good Cage will always have the life lead the minute she throws a sai, is assuming that the Mileena will do nothing else to attempt take damage.
We can make a case for why a large portion of the cast has what it takes to be considered extremely good. This is a game with very many viable characters. I admit the gap between top 10 and the next 6 or 7 characters in the list is very small.
I dont see half of TYM agreeing with you here at all.
yeah zero, foxy is the worlds best mortal kombat player and knows everything about the game so i don't know why anyone is arguing with him.... cage v. mileena is probably 9-1 cage... its almost as bad as how sonya murders kabal with her full screen rings going under his projectiles