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ApocaLips

Kombatant
Johnny Cage
• Johnny Cage's F3,2 (Take Two) no longer true combos into 2in1’d special moves
• Johnny Cage's Nut Punch does slightly less damage.

So let´s say you hit someone with the F3,2 and your oppenent pushes the block button just before you input the nutpuch, the nutpunch will be blocked?
If yes FML
Yes, it can now be blocked. You can still cancel into it though for the frame trap. Idk why people are saying you can't.

also

Raiden
• Raiden has 2 additional recovery frames on his normal Teleport.

2 frames is 2/60=1/30 of a second more recovery.
Does that little extra time really have any significance?
Yes, it means he's at an extra 2 frames of disadvantage. It gives you a little more breathing room to poke him out of whatever he tries to do after teleporting, and it means that your pokes will beat his pokes after he teleports.

It's not a massive nerf, but it does change things a bit.
 
Mileena S Tier??Having a good D+4 doesn't make someone S tier. But in all seriousness, she has like 5 HORRIBLE matchups and slow ass normals. I'd say shes top 10 but barely barely 10.
 

RWDY Nori

MK is kinda dope
Mileena S Tier??Having a good D+4 doesn't make someone S tier. But in all seriousness, she has like 5 HORRIBLE matchups and slow ass normals. I'd say shes top 10 but barely barely 10.
You obviously have not fought a good Mileena nor have seen Reo play her. You do realize it was 2 Mileenas who almost took out Perfect Legend right?

-D4 is considered the 2nd best normal anti air in the game, it's reach, priority are stupid
-Her telekick is great for getting in and if she hits you in the air w/telekick or air sai, you are eating a good combo
-You have to respect her roll at all times, considering it goes under most projectiles. Oh yeah, and her roll destroys crossups and anti airs. If you time the roll right, you can hit somebody out of a crossup attempt.
-Her mixup game up close is great. People say you can fuzzy guard it all, I call BS.


Mileena is hard to play. Doesn't mean she's not a pain in the ass in the right hands. Oh and she beats Reptile 7-3. Mileena has an answer for every single situation in the entire game. Even more w/the patch, considering she received ZERo nerfs, she's all the more better fighting the cast and top tier. She has no horrible matchups that I'm aware of.

If you don't think she's top 5, np. But saying she's barely top 10 is just sillyness
 

Shadowfire

Mortal
I still think there were some unnecessary buffs and nerfs in this patch. Not enough to drop the game, but seriously unnecessary. I would only drop the game if they did anything to F3 2 or 1,1 B4 into NDC strings.... cause that would just put my character into the shit tier right there.
I'm new so it might not be my place to say it; but I can't help but find it really amusing that you've got this huge and brightly coloured "SALT" signature, a term that pokes fun at people who complain too much and blame their losses on the game rather than their inability to adapt.

You have this signature while almost threatening to quit the game because someone you use (who is top tier) got a slight nerf, and one of the worst characters in the game might actually get to compete now.


More on topic; I think none of us should be speculating about tiers yet. It makes sense to discuss the ramifications of move properties and the like, but we won't really know how this changes matchups for a few weeks at least.
 
Kl Raiden Cage Kitana Cyrax Kabal Reptile are all better than her. Yes she beats Reptile 7-3 but Reptile has less bad matchups then Mileena. Also Mileena has a hard time against Smoke too.
 

Noserfatu

My eyes! The goggles do nothing!
Kl Raiden Cage Kitana Cyrax Kabal Reptile are all better than her. Yes she beats Reptile 7-3 but Reptile has less bad matchups then Mileena. Also Mileena has a hard time against Smoke too.

Kitana is NOT better than mileena after this patch. Also, as a Kitana main, I believe the matchup is 6-4 in Mileena's favor. Kitana gets a lot of dmg from punishing with her bnbs but you can't punish Mileena with normal bnbs when you block her special because she recovers when she hits the ground.
 

ApocaLips

Kombatant
Kl Raiden Cage Kitana Cyrax Kabal Reptile are all better than her. Yes she beats Reptile 7-3 but Reptile has less bad matchups then Mileena. Also Mileena has a hard time against Smoke too.
You can't just declare something with no backup and expect it to be true. Almost every character on that list is arguably worse than her. Back it up with some facts man.
 

16 Bit

Mash d+1~Cat Claws
Elder God
NetherRealm Studios
How does kitana's combo damage get nerfed when thats all she has? Her overhead combo starter is a joke and she has no good lows. If she can be outzoned, she's screwed and has to rush down and its hard to rush down with slow normals and few mixups. People kept bitching about Kitana when she wasn't even top tier and now she's probably going to get moved down a tier with the buffs to other characters.

wow dude climb off the ledge, Kitana is still great. Her damage has gone from ridiculous to merely good. She still gets over 40%. She doesn't need hit level mixups(but d+4 is a pretty good low). She has some of the best zoning and keep away in the game. If that's not enough to win a matchup she's still got a strong footsie and poke game. Rethink your offense if you have to rushdown and use overheads and lows with Kit.
 

HurlingDervish

Apprentice
You still can cancel into special moves from those strings. That's what they mean by "no longer true combos into 2in1’d special moves from it". Those Sonya strings should work just like Scorpion's :fp :fp :fp
Except unlike scorpions, ermacs, sektors, etc, 114 pseudo-launched them and knocks them down. Still, though its not a big deal since they appear to have left it in as a block string, so as long as 114msb2 works its all good.
 

Killphil

A prop on the stage of life.
Man people I just wanted clear one thing up here. Sure Ermac can get a damaging combo of an AA uppercut. You know what the problem with this is? You have to uppercut before the person makes it halfway through their jump animation because its so slow and unreliable. Most of the time you'll be taking the same damage as another character's bnb in a regular match. Its not like every Ermac player is Floe. I didn't want to ask this but I will now. After reading these changes, anyone care to list top 8-10 in the game? I saw mileena's name getting tossed around and never really considered it.
 

CY MasterHavik

Master of Chaos and Jax
Don't overhype Jax guys. He still has a crappy dmg output. This highly improves his mix up game though. He will be high mid or high tier at best. He ain't top.
 

Past

Apprentice
The sole fact that Jade can EX Rang out of ALL of her unsafe "cancelable" strings is a huge buff. On block or on hit. Remember this opens a new door to 50/50s. Imagine if u forced the opponent to block low while you're using an overhead at the same time. FREE launcher.
Sigh. Instead of saying things like this, why don't you visit the Jade forums once in a while? At least you would have known that there is NO unblockable involving EN low and the overhead and you would also have a better understanding of how EN rangs work. Why? Because you cannot touch or hit the opponent before the return hit of En low due to its long recovery. Coupled with the long startup of her overhead and this is far from an unblockable. So where is this "free" launcher and 50/50 mixups that you are talking about? Lets even assume that you try to use En overhead in tandem with EN low (Which I stated is not a 50/50, its a low high) to create this "free" launcher. Guess what? En low creates a very unusual Johnny Cage like stagger effect where the opponent can block immediately after the return hit. So you do en overhead after the en low and the opponent can completely ignore the en low and just block the overhead. No unblockable and you waste 2 meters.

It is baffling to see that people in this thread are supporting false info on Jade. What makes it even more hilarious (or sad) is these same people are nowhere to found on the Jade forums.
 

Noserfatu

My eyes! The goggles do nothing!
wow dude climb off the ledge, Kitana is still great. Her damage has gone from ridiculous to merely good. She still gets over 40%. She doesn't need hit level mixups(but d+4 is a pretty good low). She has some of the best zoning and keep away in the game. If that's not enough to win a matchup she's still got a strong footsie and poke game. Rethink your offense if you have to rushdown and use overheads and lows with Kit.
I think she seriously struggles against Reptile, Mileena, Kabal, Kenshi, and the lesser known bad matchup against Sektor. These matchups are all the same or worse now. Post patch, I think there's a great chance she struggles with Sindel, Jade (who will now be more popular), and noob.

Plus her easier matchups against lower tier chars aren't as easy after there buffs.

So in the end, she was overrated as a character which led to her getting nerfed while other characters got buffed. She got the shaft.

Whats worse: Kung Lao, Reptile, Sub Zero, Cyrax, Raiden all had something nerfed but they got something(s) buffed in exchange. What did kitana get in exchange? What did JC get in exchange? The shaft.

WHY DIDNT THESE CHARACTERS GET ANYTHING IN EXCHANGE? WHY ARE BETTER CHARACTERS GETTING BUFFED WHEN LESSER CHARACTERS ARE GETTING NERFED?

Can anyone answer these questions?
 

aj1701

Champion
You obviously have not fought a good Mileena nor have seen Reo play her. You do realize it was 2 Mileenas who almost took out Perfect Legend right?
Didn't he also say he had no clue on the LK v Mileena matchup before that day?
 

16 Bit

Mash d+1~Cat Claws
Elder God
NetherRealm Studios
I think she seriously struggles against Reptile, Mileena, Kabal, Kenshi, and the lesser known bad matchup against Sektor. These matchups are all the same or worse now. Post patch, I think there's a great chance she struggles with Sindel, Jade (who will now be more popular), and noob.

Plus her easier matchups against lower tier chars aren't as easy after there buffs.

So in the end, she was overrated as a character which led to her getting nerfed while other characters got buffed. She got the shaft.

Whats worse: Kung Lao, Reptile, Sub Zero, Cyrax, Raiden all had something nerfed but they got something(s) buffed in exchange. What did kitana get in exchange? What did JC get in exchange? The shaft.

WHY DIDNT THESE CHARACTERS GET ANYTHING IN EXCHANGE? WHY ARE BETTER CHARACTERS GETTING BUFFED WHEN LESSER CHARACTERS ARE GETTING NERFED?

Can anyone answer these questions?

I don't think any of those matches are as bad as you make it out to be. Reptile is the worst and it's still 4-6. So yeah she has some bad matchups, she also does well against great characters like Cage, Cyrax and Kung Lao.

I doubt she was nerfed because the community overrated her. The stuff people complain about like d+1 wasn't nerfed. They nerfed the ground fan damage scaling because it was literally broken.
 

CY MasterHavik

Master of Chaos and Jax
I don't think any of those matches are as bad as you make it out to be. Reptile is the worst and it's still 4-6. So yeah she has some bad matchups, she also does well against great characters like Cage, Cyrax and Kung Lao.

I don't think she was nerfed because the community overrated her. The stuff people complain about like d+1 wasn't nerfed. They nerfed the ground fan damage scaling because it was literally broken.
Add Jax to that list of bad match ups. He's coming for you. Also, let's not forget Freddy.
 

Konqrr

MK11 Kabal = MK9 Kitana
How does kitana's combo damage get nerfed when thats all she has? Her overhead combo starter is a joke and she has no good lows. If she can be outzoned, she's screwed and has to rush down and its hard to rush down with slow normals and few mixups. People kept bitching about Kitana when she wasn't even top tier and now she's probably going to get moved down a tier with the buffs to other characters.
Kitana still ddoes 45% with her BnB. The big damage losses come from her corner combos and jump kick~air fan combos. It's not that big of a deal really. She still has near 40% no meter from full screen if she hits you with an aaAir Fan and over 40% in the corner with the same. She is still a pain in the ass to deal with just the same as she was before.

If you think that a small damage nerf and her insane corner damage that had no scaling that now does is going to make her drop out of high tier, you are kidding yourself. Nothing else was changed.

Sindel is awesome though ^_^

As for the Reptile buff... with how NRS changed the dashing (and Reptile's forward dash is horrible) his only way in is to use his bf2 dash which is unsafe on block. So to give him something to help in the matches where he has a hard time getting in, they gave him armor on his slide. I don't see what the problem is. It gives him an opening to put a forceball on the screen where before he had to wait until he has xray as a threat to stop the projectile spam.

I still don't get why the kept Kabal with his 0-frame saw and gas blast. That shit is so dumb.

Add Jax to that list of bad match ups. He's coming for you. Also, let's not forget Freddy.
What are you talking about? Jax STILL can't get in on Kitana lol
 

RWDY Nori

MK is kinda dope
You want broken? Raiden. Reptile. Lao. Seriously scuff off of Kitana, she's barely up to par.
Yeah.......nobody is broken in this game. Like, at all, or even close. Kitana is not "barely up to par" also. Raiden/Reptile/KL are all beatable and have bad matchups and do not dominate the cast. Otherwise, you would see more of these chars winning tournaments.
 

Lt. Boxy Angelman

I WILL EAT THIS GAME
Man people I just wanted clear one thing up here. Sure Ermac can get a damaging combo of an AA uppercut. You know what the problem with this is? You have to uppercut before the person makes it halfway through their jump animation because its so slow and unreliable. Most of the time you'll be taking the same damage as another character's bnb in a regular match. Its not like every Ermac player is Floe. I didn't want to ask this but I will now. After reading these changes, anyone care to list top 8-10 in the game? I saw mileena's name getting tossed around and never really considered it.
If I had to venture a guess, it'd look like this...

1. Kung Lao.
2. Reptile.
3. Kabal.
4. Raiden.
5. Cyrax.
6. Cage.
7. Sub-Zero.
8. Mileena.
9. Kitana.
10. Liu Kang.


Seems like a fair assessment.

Actually, this could make for a less-argumentative, fun thread. I'll be back.
 

CY MasterHavik

Master of Chaos and Jax
Kitana still ddoes 45% with her BnB. The big damage losses come from her corner combos and jump kick~air fan combos. It's not that big of a deal really. She still has near 40% no meter from full screen if she hits you with an aaAir Fan and over 40% in the corner with the same. She is still a pain in the ass to deal with just the same as she was before.

If you think that a small damage nerf and her insane corner damage that had no scaling that now does is going to make her drop out of high tier, you are kidding yourself. Nothing else was changed.

Sindel is awesome though ^_^

As for the Reptile buff... with how NRS changed the dashing (and Reptile's forward dash is horrible) his only way in is to use his bf2 dash which is unsafe on block. So to give him something to help in the matches where he has a hard time getting in, they gave him armor on his slide. I don't see what the problem is. It gives him an opening to put a forceball on the screen where before he had to wait until he has xray as a threat to stop the projectile spam.

I still don't get why the kept Kabal with his 0-frame saw and gas blast. That shit is so dumb.



What are you talking about? Jax STILL can't get in on Kitana lol
Broski...with all the armor got. all I need is ex dash punch and it's playtime. Kitana can't send him away. She will be running for her life. Hell, she might reconsider her decision to Marry Liu Kang while Jax is tapping her ass all over the place.
 

Noserfatu

My eyes! The goggles do nothing!
Kitana still ddoes 45% with her BnB. The big damage losses come from her corner combos and jump kick~air fan combos. It's not that big of a deal really. She still has near 40% no meter from full screen if she hits you with an aaAir Fan and over 40% in the corner with the same. She is still a pain in the ass to deal with just the same as she was before.

If you think that a small damage nerf and her insane corner damage that had no scaling that now does is going to make her drop out of high tier, you are kidding yourself. Nothing else was changed.

Sindel is awesome though ^_^

As for the Reptile buff... with how NRS changed the dashing (and Reptile's forward dash is horrible) his only way in is to use his bf2 dash which is unsafe on block. So to give him something to help in the matches where he has a hard time getting in, they gave him armor on his slide. I don't see what the problem is. It gives him an opening to put a forceball on the screen where before he had to wait until he has xray as a threat to stop the projectile spam.

I still don't get why the kept Kabal with his 0-frame saw and gas blast. That shit is so dumb.



What are you talking about? Jax STILL can't get in on Kitana lol
Reptile doesn't need armor on his slide to get in. He can throw a forceball and elbow dash to get in and then he has a ton of options. They nerfed Kitana and they buffed characters who are superior to her. That is bullshit no matter how you slice it. Its a mixup driven game and Kitana has no mixups. What she has his combo dmg and they nerfed some of that. Good to hear her 45% bnb is the same though.

Kitana has zoning, combos, and d+1. I also don't really care that her scaling was "Broken" when a lot of other characters have properties I consider broken that didn't get touched.

Reptile + Kabal = #Winning
Kitana = #losing