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You missed the point entirelylol congrats you beat me 7 months ago. Didn't I just mop you up last weekend?
You missed the point entirelylol congrats you beat me 7 months ago. Didn't I just mop you up last weekend?
Yeah, Batman needs to be played lame and just react to what the opponent does and punish. In match-ups where he can get a life lead, get his bats out and chill, he can be very irritating. For example, even though he doesn't beat WW, if he gets a life lead on her, it can be pretty annoying for her since he can lame her out with batarangs, throw up batarangs to prevent her from air dashing in, while covering his ass with bats. The moment she gets overaggressive you catch her jumping or dashing in with bats. He can be very frustrating to play against when he does that, especially late in a match since he can deal plenty of chip and the opponent might get too worked up and feels he has to get in because he's down on life, thus making mistakes in the process. The problem is there are match-ups where you can't play like that.At the highest possible level of play when everyones defense stops sucking, Batman is a zoning character. He can't really do much up close besides forcing you to block for long periods of time, which results in you losing like 10% chip damage if you block for 30 seconds. But he just wasted all his meter and trait to make you block for that 30 seconds, now he's fucked.
At the highest possible level of play, if Batman can zone you out it could possibly be a 5-5 or losing matchup for you. If he can't zone you out then it's either a 5-5 or losing matchup for Batman, most likely losing
No I saw all the down playing. I didnt feel like acknowledging it.You missed the point entirely
two things:So your the type of person to think every person in the world is wrong besides you? Gotcha
How about these people grinded the Batman matchup with me and many other Batmans to get their number based off of experience
One thing I thought was interesting watching KIT was how much Ducky guessed right in Sinestro's vortex. I don't think he ever actually gussed wrong. I'm not sure if he's able to see/fuzzy it, or if Wound wasn't doing something to make it more ambiguous.He's a really good player. This would be a blow-up no matter what character he thinks is cool and dedicates time to.
I like how I'm getting put on blast so hard. I've never done the "dude these are my MU #'s. They're absolutely true because I'm the best."
How about,
"I think bane has 4 losing MU's and 2 of them (Batman, Sinestro) I admitted I could have been wrong (in just about every post), I let Biohazard regulate the Flash MU because he LIVES with Honeybee, and Deg bodied me with Zatanna and insisited that she wins, I have little to no say in that."
Ouch.
Do you mean his 50/50 after straight grapple? I mean, it's a 50/50. Mid screen, you can slightly make an informed guess based on the distance separating Batman from you before he jumps in, but he can still mess you up if he changes timing or does J3 instead of J2, so it's pretty hard to block based on anything other than guessing. In the corner, it's just impossible. You have to make a guess. Because after MB grapple, he does NJ2 then he does cross over J2 or cross over j3, except the J3 doesn't actually cross up even though the animation of the jump looks like it's crossing up. It's a true 50/50.This is an amazing line. People need to take this into consideration in every MU number.
Just a question, does this mean that Batman's jump-in mixups after MB grapple are easily blocked?
Not at all. I'll tell you why right now:Batman losing to Flash has always been a bill.
Very few still agree with this though. I mean, I guess it's debatable that he might be in the bottom end of the top 10 but why is he incontestably better than Deathstroke or Doomsday, for example?2. Even if we accept you MU chart, there is no way that Batman is outside of the top 10.
No one is saying he's top 5. Wound did when he was emo but now he is much more reasonable. But saying he isn't top 10 or even in the conversation is a HUGE indication for downplaying. For the record, Superman is probably a winning match for Batman and King's personal struggles are revealed in this chart.Also let's be clear, Batman being a bill in no way means he's bad. He's pretty damn good, lol. It's just that until relatively recently, some genuinely believed he's in the top 5 discussion when he probably isn't even a top 10 character. That is bill material right there.
Always believed Bats-Superman was 5-5. MIT is saying Superman probably beats him though, so it's worth pondering.No one is saying he's top 5. Wound did when he was emo but now he is much more reasonable. But saying he isn't top 10 or even in the conversation is a HUGE indication for downplaying. For the record, Superman is probably a winning match for Batman and King's personal struggles are revealed in this chart.
He's not even in the discussion for top 10 if that matchup chart is correct that everyone agrees onNo one is saying he's top 5. Wound did when he was emo but now he is much more reasonable. But saying he isn't top 10 or even in the conversation is a HUGE indication for downplaying. For the record, Superman is probably a winning match for Batman and King's personal struggles are revealed in this chart.
There was no downplaying at all. I talked about how I beat everyone with Batman, he's not a bad character, and then I showed a bunch of matchups that everyone agrees on. 0 downplayingNo I saw all the down playing. I didnt feel like acknowledging it.
He mostly just guessed right. I hit him a few times with it, but I mostly went for the full screen ender to build trait. It's also worth mentioning that it can be really hard to cross up Raven because of her hitbox and walkspeed.One thing I thought was interesting watching KIT was how much Ducky guessed right in Sinestro's vortex. I don't think he ever actually gussed wrong. I'm not sure if he's able to see/fuzzy it, or if Wound wasn't doing something to make it more ambiguous.
So I'm not sure if Ducky is doing better against Wound with Bane because he knows Wound so well, or if he knows Sinestro so well. If it's because he knows Wound so well then blowing up the Bane players is a little harsh. If it's because he knows Sinestro so well then it's justified.
could be slight adv batman but i can agree with even !5 - 5 vs. Hawkgirl @GGA pimpimjim agrees with me
It's definitely not Batman's favor I'll tell you that. You have a meterless vortex on me when you knock me down, you have real mixups on me I have fake mixups on you. If it wasn't for my trait you would literally destroy me in footsies. Batman's zoning is good against Catwoman don't get me wrong but I highly doubt it's enough to warrant 6-4 BatmanBTW I don't think Catwoman vs. Batman as 5-5 is finalized. That is not a MU number I feel confident in.
I just guessed correctly everytime. I know Sinestro extremely well. And it's not just wound I'm doing well against with Bañe. I played whiteboi and bodied him 6-0 with Bañe and made him curl up into a ball in the corner. I also beat pig in a set with my bane and have done well against other top players and they've told me my Bañe is the hardest. I'm sorry if what im saying bothers people but this is the truth. I don't want to sugar coat shit and say these guys are playing Bañe at the highest level when they're not.One thing I thought was interesting watching KIT was how much Ducky guessed right in Sinestro's vortex. I don't think he ever actually gussed wrong. I'm not sure if he's able to see/fuzzy it, or if Wound wasn't doing something to make it more ambiguous.
So I'm not sure if Ducky is doing better against Wound with Bane because he knows Wound so well, or if he knows Sinestro so well. If it's because he knows Wound so well then blowing up the Bane players is a little harsh. If it's because he knows Sinestro so well then it's justified.
What are you talking about in 2.?two things:
1. I think Batman losing to Flash is a bill (as @HoneyBee ) suggests and I think GL could be 5-5.
2. Even if we accept you MU chart, there is no way that Batman is outside of the top 10.
No way bats beats supes lmao, and I am willing to debate this without a doubt. Also how is batman better than DS is the question? I would like a discussion on that.No one is saying he's top 5. Wound did when he was emo but now he is much more reasonable. But saying he isn't top 10 or even in the conversation is a HUGE indication for downplaying. For the record, Superman is probably a winning match for Batman and King's personal struggles are revealed in this chart.