Match-up Discussion SonicFox's Batgirl Matchup Chart (WITH DESCRIPTION!)

[EMPEROR PRYCE]

No way man, punishing tele isn't a mu specific thing, bola doesn't get punished on start-up as you can't react to it and trance it; it's a read. Dash getting punished isn't specific either, and you'll have to explain the cartwheel on wake up thing.

Zatanna gets out-footsies, Batgirl can jump at her all day, Batgirl doesn't need meter to zortex but Zat does, and if she's not really zoning how is she going to get it? Teleport back all day and corner herself with Batgirls bullshit corner damage? No way is it in Zat's favour.

Batgirl has a better dash, better jump attacks and better range than Zat, with meterless vortex which is important in this MU.

no, meterless vortex is not important in this MU (well atleast, no more important than it is in any other one lol). There is a very specific range where BGs normals are ineffective vs Zatanna and EASILY whiff punished by stand 3. BG has one good "decently" long ranged normal option, and its her low starter (b13) i believe, besides that it's jump ins (which are not free) and lucky teles or bolas.

Bola has stupidly long start up, stupidly long recovery, the only thing is its like +100000 from full screen. BG has to dash cancel outta it. MB teleport behind, stand 3 will punish any dash option she chooses, given you react on time (which depends on the player).

Slow fireball MB shuts down random teleporting, if you follow the ball with dashes and mix dashing in w rings or trance, she cant teleport on you, and on the rare occasion she does and she its, she will go flying into the fireball and eat the damage (if she MB teles this is the same case and u will be cut free before she can start pressure)

At a certain range, cards can be used to read dashes and also punish odd jump-ins (mostly teleport bait, BG will jump and tele randomly to try and catch u, use cards to stop this, use it as a mid range AA), as for cross up j2, dash under and trip guard w 112 or dash under and MB tele away and start an "annoyance" game.

Everyone is concerned with this "vortex vs vortex" bullshit, fuck a damn vortex. if i get a life lead, im RUNNING, which is something that Zatanna is VERY good at (if not the best). As for stuffing cartwheel on wake up, she has a meaty stand 3 set up i will leave you to find on your own. its very simple and easily timed so u can do it online as well. also bro, dont say BG has "footsies" she has t-rex arms just as bad as zatanna.

 

[EMPEROR PRYCE]

you dont even play breh

the knowledge ive amassed in my year of playing injustice is enough to back my claim. i dont need to continue playing a game with horrid online to try and prove my keep. learn some neutral game and stop relying on flash gimmicks and maybe ill take your comment more seriously.

 

[Youphemism]

What? That's one of my jobs on here is it not?

 

[Deleted member 28105]

What? That's one of my jobs on here is it not?

Well.. I mean.. Fine. Yes , it is.

Grammar Nazis unite.

 

[Pan1cMode]

see thats where the mixup game comes in. I could deep jump teleport and he could D2 and get full combo punished. He cannot D2 you in one frame lol. And again its reading your opponent. You dont always have to use vortex. You guys make it sound like thats whats making her vital xD. Go look at my matches against KDZ at summer Jam. He kept backdashing and look what happened.

MB b3 covers both those options. You can't jump in nor teleport.

 

[SonicFox5000]

MB b3 covers both those options. You can't jump in nor teleport.

No you can ji2 and on reaction stop if he MB B3s. He would have to do mb b3 on a read, and your not going to always jump at him because he has punishable options after trident rush. Bg could either Flying bat if close enough which = death. Can reversal cartwheel. Or she could go for a 50/50 from it. Aqua has limited options after BG baits an attack from him into trident rush in the neutral game.

 

[SonicFox5000]

no, meterless vortex is not important in this MU (well atleast, no more important than it is in any other one lol). There is a very specific range where BGs normals are ineffective vs Zatanna and EASILY whiff punished by stand 3. BG has one good "decently" long ranged normal option, and its her low starter (b13) i believe, besides that it's jump ins (which are not free) and lucky teles or bolas.

Bola has stupidly long start up, stupidly long recovery, the only thing is its like +100000 from full screen. BG has to dash cancel outta it. MB teleport behind, stand 3 will punish any dash option she chooses, given you react on time (which depends on the player).

Slow fireball MB shuts down random teleporting, if you follow the ball with dashes and mix dashing in w rings or trance, she cant teleport on you, and on the rare occasion she does and she its, she will go flying into the fireball and eat the damage (if she MB teles this is the same case and u will be cut free before she can start pressure)

At a certain range, cards can be used to read dashes and also punish odd jump-ins (mostly teleport bait, BG will jump and tele randomly to try and catch u, use cards to stop this, use it as a mid range AA), as for cross up j2, dash under and trip guard w 112 or dash under and MB tele away and start an "annoyance" game.

Everyone is concerned with this "vortex vs vortex" bullshit, fuck a damn vortex. if i get a life lead, im RUNNING, which is something that Zatanna is VERY good at (if not the best). As for stuffing cartwheel on wake up, she has a meaty stand 3 set up i will leave you to find on your own. its very simple and easily timed so u can do it online as well. also bro, dont say BG has "footsies" she has t-rex arms just as bad as zatanna.

If you ever want to play, ill show you why running away doesnt work. Ill also show you why this MU is 6-4 BG. And no i actually have one of the best d1s in the game so, i can out footsievyou in everything. I can cancel bola bait an attack and MB3 you. The only way you will win is if you vortex me then take enough health to kill me.

 

[Pan1cMode]

No you can ji2 and on reaction stop if he MB B3s. He would have to do mb b3 on a read, and your not going to always jump at him because he has punishable options after trident rush. Bg could either Flying bat if close enough which = death. Can reversal cartwheel. Or she could go for a 50/50 from it. Aqua has limited options after BG baits an attack from him into trident rush in the neutral game.

As soon as he sees you jump he just MB b3s. It covers so much ground and the armour will absorb a tele attempt and allow for d1~db2 punish.

She can't punish if it's spaced correctly, you know that. She does get a guaranteed cartwheel followup but guess right and you get a full combo punish. She doesn't get a free 50/50 outside of cartwheel after blocked trident rush, b2 doesn't reach far enough and correctly spaced b1 won't reach either.

 

[Ra Helios]

nope
also i would say wonder woman has the best MIX UP not vortex. both low and overhead are plus and lead into combos.

But those are gimmicks what people use. It can poke if she doesn't do a plus move with a poke. Her overhead can be easily read. I would say she has one of the best mix up. but the best Mix up and vortex is Bat girl. I rather deal with Wonderwoman Mix ups then Batgirl.

 

[Youphemism]

nope
also i would say wonder woman has the best MIX UP not vortex. both low and overhead are plus and lead into combos.

Incorrect, 33 is +2 but b2 is -5

 

[Pan1cMode]

Incorrect, 33 is +2 but b2 is -5

But b2~lasso grab is + (albeit duckable)

 

[C88 Zombieekiler]

the knowledge ive amassed in my year of playing injustice is enough to back my claim. i dont need to continue playing a game with horrid online to try and prove my keep. learn some neutral game and stop relying on flash gimmicks and maybe ill take your comment more seriously.

i hate how some nw players think they are kings of fundamentals and neutral game lol youre pretty shit

 

[Konqrr]

I back dash her her vortex all the time, except when I'm in the corner because there isn't enough room, but like I said, maybe that's just me

So you are saying that against Harley... when Batgirl is at +20 frames or so off her vortex, that you somehow magically can break free of the hitstun and backdash where other characters can't? lol... ok

 

[EMPEROR PRYCE]

If you ever want to play, ill show you why running away doesnt work. Ill also show you why this MU is 6-4 BG. And no i actually have one of the best d1s in the game so, i can out footsievyou in everything. I can cancel bola bait an attack and MB3 you. The only way you will win is if you vortex me then take enough health to kill me.

Ur EVO champ, I'd get bodied and that wont prove much. match ups are to be discussed at the highest level of play. Bolas get punished tho, dash canceled or not lol. I think its 5-5 tho. Zatanna has too many tools to counter BG. It's a simple switch in neutral.

 

[EMPEROR PRYCE]

i hate how all nw players think they are kings of fundamentals and neutral game lol youre pretty shit

Is that why in most of the games life I knew more about your character than you?
Is that why everyday u used to constantly bother me and rebel for tech?
Is that why you've never beaten me in a set?
Is that why to this day you still use tech and set ups I taught you?
Is that why last time we played, i hadn't played in like a month and still beat you?

Lol ok lil kid.

 

[SonicFox5000]

As soon as he sees you jump he just MB b3s. It covers so much ground and the armour will absorb a tele attempt and allow for d1~db2 punish.

She can't punish if it's spaced correctly, you know that. She does get a guaranteed cartwheel followup but guess right and you get a full combo punish. She doesn't get a free 50/50 outside of cartwheel after blocked trident rush, b2 doesn't reach far enough and correctly spaced b1 won't reach either.

You will land jn time i promise lol. Just dont hit a button

 

[SonicFox5000]

Ur EVO champ, I'd get bodied and that wont prove much. match ups are to be discussed at the highest level of play. Bolas get punished tho, dash canceled or not lol. I think its 5-5 tho. Zatanna has too many tools to counter BG. It's a simple switch in neutral.

Not quite. You have to first react to me actually doing the animation and then input teleport. In that time frame she can dash cancel. The actual startup of the attack is 12-13 frames(when she has the bola in her hand)
And its practically impossible to react that fast. SoI have the fastest forward dash and can cancel in time to either neutral jump your 3 punish or to block.

 

[EMPR_MURK]

i hate how all nw players think they are kings of fundamentals and neutral game lol youre pretty shit

Just because u lack them tremendously doesn't mean u have to shit on the NW community. In messages I have u sending me asking me questions for advice but now on here, u wanna bash ppl??? That is some corny/fake bs.

 

[C88 Zombieekiler]

Is that why in most of the games life I knew more about your character than you?
Is that why everyday u used to constantly bother me and rebel for tech?
Is that why you've never beaten me in a set?
Is that why to this day you still use tech and set ups I taught you?
Is that why last time we played, i hadn't played in like a month and still beat you?

Lol ok lil kid.

1st off thats because i didnt know high level when we used to talk
if i want to get better why wouldnt i?
we have only played one set ever before i got good id body you now
no i dont are u dumb fam your setups are shit
once again before i levelled up

lol ok fat mong.

 

[SonicFox5000]

@GuamoKun this is about to go from nightwing and his d1 to nightwing and his fundamentals
Whats wrong with all you Dicks












in sorry

 

[C88 Zombieekiler]

Just because u lack them tremendously doesn't mean u have to shit on the NW community. In messages I have u sending me asking me questions for advice but now on here, u wanna bash ppl??? That is some corny/fake bs.

lol i ask u to get better but you just state the obvious like spacing and stuff

 

[C88 Zombieekiler]

and it wasnt against the whole community just the ones like u and pryce

 

[TopTierHarley]

So you are saying that against Harley... when Batgirl is at +20 frames or so off her vortex, that you somehow magically can break free of the hitstun and backdash where other characters can't? lol... ok

Yup online brah

 

[Axel_Redd]

Batgirl is sucha unfair character, she shoulda been more like scorpion in this game.


i'm not playing batgirls now, toodles >->

 

[SonicFox5000]

Exactly. Fundamentals will win you the majority of matches at high level in any fighter which is why I said what I said. If u have a problem with me or Pryce, then u need to state it and don't say bs like "the NW community" but instead say EMPEROR PRYCE and EMPEROR MURK. Not our fault u suck. Yea I said YOU SUCK so there goes something else that u can get into your feelings about. Hold that...

Now to @SonicFox5000, the FIRST thing i said in this post was my reasoning as to why i thinl the NW/BG is 5-5 so either u didnt see it or just didnt respond, whatever don't care...but when the community bashes the NW community, im gonna speak up about it regardless of what thread its in (if I see it). U and others need to get on the specific NW players or ppl who bring up the nonsense. Im just here to talk the mu for my character against yours.

I couldve swore I responded. If not then heres why:
Bg can zone NW/ jump in on him for free. NW wakes in both stances can be stuffed by JI2. When you are in escrima i can play you in the neutral game. Staff stance I can just block and wait for you to waste meter/ do something unsafe. You eventually have to or I will be outta your face from your stance. Most players dont wanna block NW lol. His mixups are all reactable and his knockdown game doesnt mean much to BG. He is only effective against BG when he has her in the corner. But if not, i have better tools. NW is a bill lol