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Match-up Discussion SonicFox's Batgirl Matchup Chart (WITH DESCRIPTION!)

Phosferrax

Phosferrax

Original Liu Kang cop.
Ra Helios said:
She doesn't have one of the best mix up in The game. She has the best mix up in the game. It almost like saying catwoman b3 is one of the best b3 in the game which it isn't. It is the best b3 in the game.
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Zatanna technically has the best mix-ups in the game.
 
Laos_boy

Laos_boy

Meow Hoes
UGH NW PLAYERS.

Now that my gimmick is out of the way.
I agree with this MU chart. I do hate the Aquaman match up. But its not hard after bola I go for whiff 1 into j3 if he has trait.

And for the mix up discussion. Zatanna and batgirl are pretty equal. Zatanna builds meter fast....you know...unless she's fighting Batgirl :(
 
GuamoKun

GuamoKun

I Break Hearts, Not Combos
xInfra Deadx said:
Nightwing players are the worst.

lol
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WHAT AM I THEN. also back on topic....

Zatanna might have the best mixups but its HOW she easily she can get them and stuff.

Batgirl always for some raisin is always vortexing off everything and stuff
 
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EMPR_MURK

Noob
I say the NW mu is 5-5. Nothing BG does makes me think any other wise. Also starting off the mu discussion with staff is a bad move considering escrima is the better stance for this mu 75% of the time.
 
Youphemism

Youphemism

Gunslinger since pre patch (sh/out to The Farmer)
I....I can't....wha....what even.....I don't.....I.....what?! (Edit: I actually agree with most but yeah)

A. I wouldn't say she's the best character in the game. Besides the plus frames on MB bola she doesn't really have any good plus frames, no real safe way to approach the opponent and her zoning is relatively mediocre. Just because she has this tremendous vortex doesn't mean it's easy to get going either. No doubt she's very very very good but come on... What's your reasoning for her being the best character?

B. You make it sound like Batgirl can just get a knockdown on Aquaman easy peasy, as if he doesn't have faster long range normals or anything. I'd like more explanation for this before I decide to question your thoughts further if that's alright.

C. Nightwing in staff stance has faster, further-reaching normals and in my opinion outfootsies her. It's slightly harder for her to get in because of this. Thoughts?

D. What would you say is her hardest matchup? From the looks of this chart it seems like Sinestro but I'd like to hear from you.
 
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EMPR_MURK

Noob
Shaazzyam said:
Lol don't ask Murk or GPmoney anything about NW frame data.

They still think MMH can't back dash staff standing 1 post-overhead tele, that it's an "online gimmick", even though I've told them the opposite a million times now.
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Thats not real. Don't troll us because u couldn't get the job done with your dick. Stick with viagra (mmh) lol
 
SonicFox5000

SonicFox5000

The Best.
Youphemism said:
I....I can't....wha....what even.....I don't.....I.....what?! (Edit: I actually agree with most but yeah)

A. I wouldn't say she's the best character in the game. Besides the plus frames on MB bola she doesn't really have any good plus frames, no real safe way to approach the opponent and her zoning is relatively mediocre. Just because she has this tremendous vortex doesn't mean it's easy to get going either. No doubt she's very very very good but come on... What's your reasoning for her being the best character?

B. You make it sound like Batgirl can just get a knockdown on Aquaman easy peasy, as if he doesn't have faster long range normals or anything. I'd like more explanation for this before I decide to question your thoughts further if that's alright.

C. Nightwing in staff stance has faster, further-reaching normals and in my opinion outfootsies her. It's slightly harder for her to get in because of this. Thoughts?

D. What would you say is her hardest matchup? From the looks of this chart it seems like Sinestro but I'd like to hear from you.
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A. She is. Has too many options and her vortex is hella easy to get going. If you can't get it going, you aren't playing her correctly.
B. Cartwheel.
C. Why are you rushing NW down in staff stance
D. Flash. he does too much damage
 
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EMPR_MURK

Noob
Youphemism said:
I....I can't....wha....what even.....I don't.....I.....what?! (Edit: I actually agree with most but yeah)

A. I wouldn't say she's the best character in the game. Besides the plus frames on MB bola she doesn't really have any good plus frames, no real safe way to approach the opponent and her zoning is relatively mediocre. Just because she has this tremendous vortex doesn't mean it's easy to get going either. No doubt she's very very very good but come on... What's your reasoning for her being the best character?

B. You make it sound like Batgirl can just get a knockdown on Aquaman easy peasy, as if he doesn't have faster long range normals or anything. I'd like more explanation for this before I decide to question your thoughts further if that's alright.

C. Nightwing in staff stance has faster, further-reaching normals and in my opinion outfootsies her. It's slightly harder for her to get in because of this. Thoughts?

D. What would you say is her hardest matchup? From the looks of this chart it seems like Sinestro but I'd like to hear from you.
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As a NW main, the key in the BG mu is to bait her to make a mistake so by doing that we must play in escrima most of the time due to mobility and a easier way of zoning her if we need to. I personally play BG mostly in escrima and only go to staff if im doing pressure or executing a combo and after a knockdown I go back into escrima because once again, NW must be mobile against her because in staff, she can just zone me out most of the time so there would be no need for her to approach NW while in staff.
 
Youphemism

Youphemism

Gunslinger since pre patch (sh/out to The Farmer)
SonicFox5000 said:
A. She is. Has too many options and her vortex is hella easy to get going. If you can't get it going, you aren't playing her correctly.
B. Cartwheel.
C. Why are you rushing NW down in staff stance
D. Flash. he does too much damage
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A. Too many options? How many safe ones though? Maybe it depends on the matchup. I;m talking about getting in on the opponent. They can backdash after a j2 and b1 itself is 14 frames so I'm sure you can see why it's not all rainbows and unicorns to get into.
B. Cartwheel? That special with three punishable options? I mean yeah it's good but PL even put out a vid helping people punish it.
C. I'm not lol. But BGs zoning is meh and her real damage comes from her vortex. Maybe I just have to play this mu again at some point.
D. Agreed.
EMPR_MURK said:
As a NW main, the key in the BG mu is to bait her to make a mistake so by doing that we must play in escrima most of the time due to mobility and a easier way of zoning her if we need to. I personally play BG mostly in escrima and only go to staff if im doing pressure or executing a combo and after a knockdown I go back into escrima because once again, NW must be mobile against her because in staff, she can just zone me out most of the time so there would be no need for her to approach NW while in staff.
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Huh ok, I just thought her zoning might get beat out by ground pound zoning. I'll look into it at some point further myself.
 
SonicFox5000

SonicFox5000

The Best.
Youphemism said:
A. Too many options? How many safe ones though? Maybe it depends on the matchup. I;m talking about getting in on the opponent. They can backdash after a j2 and b1 itself is 14 frames so I'm sure you can see why it's not all rainbows and unicorns to get into.
B. Cartwheel? That special with three punishable options? I mean yeah it's good but PL even put out a vid helping people punish it.
C. I'm not lol. But BGs zoning is meh and her real damage comes from her vortex. Maybe I just have to play this mu again at some point.
D. Agreed.

Huh ok, I just thought her zoning might get beat out by ground pound zoning. I'll look into it at some point further myself.
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jesus man play the neutral game with Aquaman lol.
Don't tell me your BGs meta is Dash up Vortex!
 
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EMPR_MURK

Noob
Youphemism said:
A. Too many options? How many safe ones though? Maybe it depends on the matchup.
B. Cartwheel? That special with three punishable options? I mean yeah it's good but PL even put out a vid helping people punish it.
C. I'm not lol. But BGs zoning is meh and her real damage comes from her vortex. Maybe I just have to play this mu again at some point.
D. Agreed.

Huh ok, I just thought her zoning might get beat out by ground pound zoning. I'll look into it at some point further myself.
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That is only affective if NW starts the zoning in staff first and that is taking a risk because the BG player could read it and punish me with that skyfall move (don't know what its called).
 
Youphemism

Youphemism

Gunslinger since pre patch (sh/out to The Farmer)
SonicFox5000 said:
jesus man play the neutral game with Aquaman lol.
Don't tell me your BGs meta is Dash up Vortex!
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Haha I'm not disregarding her neutral, I'm just saying it's not like I can just get in for free :p seriously though, do you think there are actually Batgirls that just dash in and b1 and hope for the best? That'd be great to watch :D
EMPR_MURK said:
That is only affective if NW starts the zoning in staff first and that is taking a risk because the BG player could read it and punish me with that skyfall move (don't know what its called).
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Smoke bomb and yeah but that's of course on a read.
 
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