Match-up Discussion (1.06) Superman Matchup Discussion

[YOMI_SLAYER]

I'm playing to have fun ... Unlike many others. I've gotten top 4th at Evo and haven't gotten top 8 since. But I have made it out of my pool in ever other major I've been to(3 in total) and ended up 9th twice. It happens. I'm happy. MLG will have to speak louder than my words.

 

[DarksydeDash]

Gentlemen.. lets talk about Sinestro.. HOW DO YOU FIGHT THIS GUY!? Supe's game is about punishing your opponent for whiffing but with him he has a trait that saves his ass and lets me be punished for trying to capitalize on his mistake. The worst part about it? Once he gets you scared to push a button he gets away with UNSAFE stuff. "You will know the meaning of fear," guess he was not kidding.

 

[AlanC]

Gentlemen.. lets talk about Sinestro.. HOW DO YOU FIGHT THIS GUY!? Supe's game is about punishing your opponent for whiffing but with him he has a trait that saves his ass and lets me be punished for trying to capitalize on his mistake. The worst part about it? Once he gets you scared to push a button he gets away with UNSAFE stuff. "You will know the meaning of fear," guess he was not kidding.

If you're full screen air dashing helps but don't do it willy nilly when you expect the fear blast or the overhead meteor you can air dash forward to avoid them

 

[DarksydeDash]

Not sure if this is know but in the corner, Martian's d1 with trait reaches just as far as f2, in other words, you can't pressure Martian in the corner if he has trait. You can't armor through it cause super punch has to much start up and MB f3 only has 1 hit of armor so if he cancels it (which most do) it breaks the armor.

 

[Endeavor]

Alright guys how are you all dealing with WW and batman. Wowo's mobility and walk back speed are general pain in the ass. Not to mention her recovery on all her normals are gdlk, and she can abuse the crap out of J3 as its it is the amazonian equivalent to Aquamans J2.

 

[xQUANTUMx]

J3 is -10 or so on block. it wont jail. In fact I believe all her jump normals are - on block. you can d1~MB breath that into fcp if they decide to press buttons. If not the MB breath gives you safe push back. Generally, its a footie battle as you can outprojectile her, but she can parry. Her d3 is good on a read against your advancing strings. It goes without question her rushdown is better than ours given her plus frames but pushblock and backdashing are a must here as well as getting her to whiff her strings. Once that occurs, it's F23 punish as usual. IADG is punishable from the waist up with f23. Lower than that and you can only backdash or walk back. Both are great at turtling with a life lead. Both chars are epic in the corner. WoWo with her setups and Supes with raw damage. Its an interesting match. Certainly she is at a certain advantage but it is far from unwinnable.

Batman is in the same category. You need to navigate the onslaught of bats. He's dead on knockdown so an eventual parry attempt is going to happen. It is still a losing match but much more manageable offline as you can actually interrupt his strings and start a counter offense.

 

[Endeavor]

J3 is -10 or so on block. it wont jail. In fact I believe all her jump normals are - on block. you can d1~MB breath that into fcp if they decide to press buttons. If not the MB breath gives you safe push back. Generally, its a footie battle as you can outprojectile her, but she can parry. Her d3 is good on a read against your advancing strings. It goes without question her rushdown is better than ours given her plus frames but pushblock and backdashing are a must here as well as getting her to whiff her strings. Once that occurs, it's F23 punish as usual. IADG is punishable from the waist up with f23. Lower than that and you can only backdash or walk back. Both are great at turtling with a life lead. Both chars are epic in the corner. WoWo with her setups and Supes with raw damage. Its an interesting match. Certainly she is at a certain advantage but it is far from unwinnable.

Batman is in the same category. You need to navigate the onslaught of bats. He's dead on knockdown so an eventual parry attempt is going to happen. It is still a losing match but much more manageable offline as you can actually interrupt his strings and start a counter offense.

Ok, I mean my main problem is even though its been a life time, I still need to better understand the range of F2. I know that on a read if I think she is going to do D3 I can superman punch as a punish and I can neutral J2, though I am a bit cautious to do so as she can easily D2 punish me for attempting to do so. Her mobility seems to allow her to get over superman's sub par zoning with ease and punish him with jump ins.

 

[HeroesNZ]

J3 is -10 or so on block. it wont jail. In fact I believe all her jump normals are - on block. you can d1~MB breath that into fcp if they decide to press buttons. If not the MB breath gives you safe push back. Generally, its a footie battle as you can outprojectile her, but she can parry. Her d3 is good on a read against your advancing strings. It goes without question her rushdown is better than ours given her plus frames but pushblock and backdashing are a must here as well as getting her to whiff her strings. Once that occurs, it's F23 punish as usual. IADG is punishable from the waist up with f23. Lower than that and you can only backdash or walk back. Both are great at turtling with a life lead. Both chars are epic in the corner. WoWo with her setups and Supes with raw damage. Its an interesting match. Certainly she is at a certain advantage but it is far from unwinnable.

Batman is in the same category. You need to navigate the onslaught of bats. He's dead on knockdown so an eventual parry attempt is going to happen. It is still a losing match but much more manageable offline as you can actually interrupt his strings and start a counter offense.

A deep Ji3 is hella plus on block. Such as Nightwing's deep J3 is around +10.

 

[xQUANTUMx]

A deep Ji3 is hella plus on block. Such as Nightwing's deep J3 is around +10.

Yes height is dependent i forgot about that
Tbh I'm not that scared of her j3 it's all her other shit that's the problem

 

[Endeavor]

Yes height is dependent i forgot about that
Tbh I'm not that scared of her j3 it's all her other shit that's the problem

Her movement, meterless damage, guaranteed, safe and plus otg set ups and 50/50's that are also safe. She has some of the best recovery I have seen and then to top it all off since F2 was destroyed, we dont even have a decent whiff punisher.

 

[DarksydeDash]

J3 is -10 or so on block. it wont jail. In fact I believe all her jump normals are - on block. you can d1~MB breath that into fcp if they decide to press buttons. If not the MB breath gives you safe push back. Generally, its a footie battle as you can outprojectile her, but she can parry. Her d3 is good on a read against your advancing strings. It goes without question her rushdown is better than ours given her plus frames but pushblock and backdashing are a must here as well as getting her to whiff her strings. Once that occurs, it's F23 punish as usual. IADG is punishable from the waist up with f23. Lower than that and you can only backdash or walk back. Both are great at turtling with a life lead. Both chars are epic in the corner. WoWo with her setups and Supes with raw damage. Its an interesting match. Certainly she is at a certain advantage but it is far from unwinnable.

Batman is in the same category. You need to navigate the onslaught of bats. He's dead on knockdown so an eventual parry attempt is going to happen. It is still a losing match but much more manageable offline as you can actually interrupt his strings and start a counter offense.

Since WW pressure eventually leads into d12, it is - on block so you can d1 her after blocking it, ending her pressure. Otherwise, backdash after blocking b1 or 33. Also her sweep can be punish with MB breath.

 

[Endeavor]

Since WW pressure eventually leads into d12, it is - on block so you can d1 her after blocking it, ending her pressure. Otherwise, backdash after blocking b1 or 33. Also her sweep can be punish with MB breath.

I did not know that.

 

[xQUANTUMx]

Since WW pressure eventually leads into d12, it is - on block so you can d1 her after blocking it, ending her pressure. Otherwise, backdash after blocking b1 or 33. Also her sweep can be punish with MB breath.

it's -1 on block. Your choices are duck block or you backdash. If you try to counter with f2, she can d3 you into oki. Didn't know about MB breath, that's cool

 

[DarksydeDash]

Someone please tell me how to fight Black Adam. His regular divekick on block is just out of F2 range, the MB is plus and jump normal beat all of mine. He also completely outzones me.

 

[Clark L.]

Someone please tell me how to fight Black Adam. His regular divekick on block is just out of F2 range, the MB is plus and jump normal beat all of mine. He also completely outzones me.

offline his normal dive kick is punishable as ****, i forget the data on mb dive kick, i don't think he's overly at advantage, and yea you can't throw out eye lasers in air all willy nilly, a non-mb eye laser is punishable as hell

 

[DarksydeDash]

offline his normal dive kick is punishable as ****, i forget the data on mb dive kick, i don't think he's overly at advantage, and yea you can't throw out eye lasers in air all willy nilly, a non-mb eye laser is punishable as hell

Man I couldn't touch you at all. His runaway game is ridiculous.

 

[Peckapowa]

Someone please tell me how to fight Black Adam. His regular divekick on block is just out of F2 range, the MB is plus and jump normal beat all of mine. He also completely outzones me.

both jump backwards the whole game like retards

 

[Clark L.]

both jump backwards the whole game like retards

this is true

 

[DarksydeDash]

both jump backwards the whole game like retards

Yeah I noticed that a lot..

 

[Hades]

Has anyone really made a solid match up chart from the supes forums? I'm really curious as to who he loses to and who he beats. I've been playing him for a few months but i still have no idea on some match ups that i barely get to play

 

[xQUANTUMx]

Has anyone really made a solid match up chart from the supes forums? I'm really curious as to who he loses to and who he beats. I've been playing him for a few months but i still have no idea on some match ups that i barely get to play

Most supes players tend to hate MU charts in general. What matches are giving you issues?

 

[Hades]

Most supes players tend to hate MU charts in general. What matches are giving you issues?

i'm just curious in general tbh. i'm not really having trouble with any particular characters other than vortex characters pissing me off haha. i'm just curious because i've barely ever played characters like Harley, hawkgirl, catwoman and lex just to name a few. But i'm sure most would agree supes goes 5-5 with a shit load of characters right?

 

[xQUANTUMx]

In my opinion his disadvantages are against characters that don't allow him to do what he does best. He's almost entirely a footsies char so the whole lasers/whiff punishing/air&ground mobility play a huge part. Raven, sinestro and to a certain degree, aquaman can negate this very well, among others. How he does vs vortex chars is how anyone else basically does, you have to guess.

 

[xInfra Deadx]

In my opinion his disadvantages are against characters that don't allow him to do what he does best. He's almost entirely a footsies char so the whole lasers/whiff punishing/air&ground mobility play a huge part. Raven, sinestro and to a certain degree, aquaman can negate this very well, among others. How he does vs vortex chars is how anyone else basically does, you have to guess.

You can add Martian to that list as well.

 

[DarksydeDash]

You can add Martian to that list as well.

I must agree, d1 with trait prevents corner pressure, his teleport randomly crosses up on him too. Dont even get me started on footsies..