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IGAU Preemptive whiff punishing (multiple characters used)

Protagonist_1

Protagonist_1

Champion


Hello TYM!

You may have recalled the previous two threads I made. One about juicebox describing the neutral game and how it works, and another of me trying to explore what is feasible in injustice neutral game by using batman to whiff punish long distance pokes.

I decided to use more characters this time, although not as many as I would like, to showcase this is possible with a wide arrange of characters and normals. It's really up to you to find out what's the best normal to whiff punish a poke regarding you character as well as the spacing. This vid merely showcases the possibilities.

Character's used:
Green Arrow
Batman
Cyborg (had the most fun using him)
Catwoman
Flash
Ares
Doomsday
Harley Quinn
Joker


I may try to make one last vid for MMH and seeing how to beat out his normals in trait, or if it's possible, as well as using more of the cast. (Although I probably need to buy the DLC lol)
 
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300official

300official

Noob
i think no1 responds for the reason that this games neutral game doesnt really exist in alot of matchups you use bane as an example... he has armor he doesnt care about the neutral game this only aplies to characters without projectiles like flash vs WOWO but other than that why risk throwing out moves like that?
 
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Eldriken

Guest
How do you expect anyone to read any of the text within the video? It's unbelievably blurry.

Not trying to critique what you're doing, but Jesus, I've seen SDTVs with clearer text than that.
 
Vulcan Hades

Vulcan Hades

Champion
This is known as a mid-range buffer or counter hit hunting. Not "pre-emptive whiff punish". edit: well you have both buffers and whiff punishes in the video. But some of them aren't practical examples. For example why try to counter hit or whiff punish a move that's -15 on block anyway? Just block and punish.

It's not really seen much in Injustice because of the slow walkspeeds, the ridiculously small/bad cancellable pokes and because chain buffers come out on whiff so you can't whiff buffer safely. This game's neutral is more about dashes, jump ins and backwalk than the walk back and forth footsie dance.
 
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16 Bit

16 Bit

Mash d+1~Cat Claws
Elder God
NetherRealm Studios
300official said:
i think no1 responds for the reason that this games neutral game doesnt really exist in alot of matchups you use bane as an example... he has armor he doesnt care about the neutral game this only aplies to characters without projectiles like flash vs WOWO but other than that why risk throwing out moves like that?
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No, this is definitely part of the neutral game. Bane absolutely cares about the neutral game. I do this all the time in tournament, including every week against Max in tournament.

No one responds to this topics because people aren't interested in understanding the neutral and footsies game in Injustice. Real talk.
 
HGTV Soapboxfan

HGTV Soapboxfan

"Always a Pleasure"
GGA 16 Bit said:
No, this is definitely part of the neutral game. Bane absolutely cares about the neutral game. I do this all the time in tournament, including every week against Max in tournament.

No one responds to this topics because people aren't interested in understanding the neutral and footsies game in Injustice. Real talk.
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Reason for that is partially because it's ridiculously hard online to use (in every game but especially injustice imo).
 
Yoaks

Yoaks

A spaceman
Playing characters like Lobo; who have great whiffing punishing normals always helps. Lobo's Standing 3, WoWo's b2, Adam's b2, DD's d1, DS's f3 and b1 etc. It's one of the things I've worked on alot ever since my first GBS!
 
moraelgamed

moraelgamed

Noob
Maybe people aren't focusing because 50/50 setups and resets are so dominant and much more rewarding in the game. Another very important aspect is that to play a SF like footsies game demonstrated above, you have to establish a solid and Anti Air game first which many of the cast can't. Many will just dash under or away and start pressuring or punishing.The makes the neutral game is what Vulcan said basically IMO.


Nice video though, i love moonlit wilderness.
 
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16 Bit

16 Bit

Mash d+1~Cat Claws
Elder God
NetherRealm Studios
moraelgamed said:
Maybe people aren't focusing because 50/50 setups and resets are so dominant and much more rewarding in the game. Nice video though, i love moonlit wilderness.
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Except that's not the case. Theo didn't just win UFGT because of 50/50's and resets. Whiteboi isn't placing top 3 with Doomsday just because of 50/50's. There's nothing unique about my Catwoman setups.
 
300official

300official

Noob
GGA 16 Bit said:
No, this is definitely part of the neutral game. Bane absolutely cares about the neutral game. I do this all the time in tournament, including every week against Max in tournament.

No one responds to this topics because people aren't interested in understanding the neutral and footsies game in Injustice. Real talk.
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but you do it against dashes no in the matter hes using it i understand why you do it its punishing dash ins but this man is talking about punishing wiffed moves like SF style.
 
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RIF

Apprentice
Bashing IGAU's footsies has always been the cool thing to do. Now that MK10 is coming out, I expect nothing but continued railing against IGAU from this community.


But....Bane is a dick who doesn't really play footsies.
 
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Protagonist_1

Protagonist_1

Champion
300official said:
i think no1 responds for the reason that this games neutral game doesnt really exist in alot of matchups you use bane as an example... he has armor he doesnt care about the neutral game this only aplies to characters without projectiles like flash vs WOWO but other than that why risk throwing out moves like that?
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Well that, and mk10 is coming out :D

As far as the neutral game, I agree the game's movement and normals make it difficult. At the same time though, I still find it important to know what options your character has in the neutral game. Against a player like Theo, for example, setups, jump in's and dash in's are only going to take you so far.

Even with the walk speed, I still learn how to walk even with a character like Bane because you never know when it will come in handy.

Eldriken said:
How do you expect anyone to read any of the text within the video? It's unbelievably blurry.

Not trying to critique what you're doing, but Jesus, I've seen SDTVs with clearer text than that.
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I recently got a new camera, so hopefully this isn't a problem next time.:(

Fred Marvel said:
this is cool, looks like youre playing igau like ae its basically baiting and punishing, only problem is some characters dont have to play footsies....well alot of characters lol
nonetheless this is cool and if ppl did this they would be better for it
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Thanks, and I'm fully aware of some characters that completely blow past the neutral game lol. I talked about it in a thread a while back. I'm just a practice head, and just find stuff like this interesting. Thanks for the comment.

MidTierHarley said:
I play online in my shitty connection so none of this matters to me... :DOGE
But seriously this is really cool dude keep it up.
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lol, thanks. :D
 
Protagonist_1

Protagonist_1

Champion
300official said:
but you do it against dashes no in the matter hes using it i understand why you do it its punishing dash ins but this man is talking about punishing wiffed moves like SF style.
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I see what you mean, but it seems like most are quick to say that it's impossible, than actually at least try to see how possible it is. When I see players like Haitani using a character with terrible walk speed and fast dashes and still whiff punishing pokes in bad matchups, it makes me wonder how far out the realm of possible it really is. Stuff like that makes me to want to try the "impossible" and see how possible it is, even in a game that is described to have a terrible neutral game. Couldn't hurt to try :p

RIF said:
Bashing IGAU's footsies has always been the cool thing to do. Now that MK10 is coming out, I expect nothing but continued railing against IGAU from this community.
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I'm fully prepared for that, it's to be expected. I'm still going to playing injustice, even after mk10 comes out, because I still have fun with the game. :)

I will though be sure to try this with mk10, assuming it still has the spacing game mk9 had prior before, and it's not changed.
 
EndofGameBoss

EndofGameBoss

That's about right.
One of the reasons I fail at this game is because I cannot play my style. Which is basically whats in the video. I tend to walk back and forth a lot baiting attacks so I can whiff punish or anti air, but I get heavily distracted by interactables and being too lazy to learn the stages on top of everything else. Good thread nonetheless. It should help people that aren't as lazy about the game.

Also, footsies do exist in Injustice. As mostly a stream monster I see it ALL the time, rather if its from 16 Bit or Zyphox, I see them whiff punishing all over the place.
 
coolwhip

coolwhip

Master
GGA 16 Bit said:
Except that's not the case. Theo didn't just win UFGT because of 50/50's and resets. Whiteboi isn't placing top 3 with Doomsday just because of 50/50's. There's nothing unique about my Catwoman setups.
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Well, given that you're the only one using her, they're unique by definition :16Bit
 
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