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Match-up Discussion Becoming the Pope - The General Zod Matchup Thread

Well i want to run it some more, i realized i can mb b3 after the uppercut and stand after b1 command grab, you were the first bane i have ever seen do that shit and it through me for a loop and broke the matchup. I also can jump 2 after the uppercut shit. I'll never say its 6-4 zod again because that shit was so braindead i felt like throwing my cat out of a window.

i am convinced i will do better this time and i know zod wins everywhere but knockdown and albiet its hard to deal with, once i react to that stuff it will change the mu to a 5-5, i am not convinced yet it is 4-6 but i see now, ever other bane i have played i have anal raped. I got hit by way too many of those slow overheads and so many times i missed the punish when i read uppercut into grab and you just armored against, once i solidify those punishes and break it down more to reads and less me not dealing withany of it think it will be even, because i am very confident i can keep bane out and that backdash is a nightmare too. Also i kept missing my second instant air, i am not going to go for those and keep you away. I still think if we grind it out its not in bane's favor if that makes sense.

I also was letting you get away with murder when i had my trait out and i have plans to revise that. It'll be different the more we grind it out.

if i ever go to a tournament i am picking martian though because i don't have to deal with that knockdown shit and i can just zone and armor all day and i definetly feel martian wins that fight.

i am not being stubborn i am being analytical here and i know if i step up my defense on knockdown i can keep you away and even that shit out, zods backdash is too good. its just way more difficult and execution heavy for me to execute my strategy.
The zoning only works for so long though, his back dash is good but eventually you're cornered, and a zod charge isn't to hard to catch up to. Yea you can jump 2 tick throws, thing is if you do that and I double punch like I did it's going to catch you, it's a pure guessing game. And thing is with the over head you can dash cancel it, it's honestly pretty damn hard to react to it on knockdown though, there's so many threats. Honestly a lot of the trait shenanigans was me knowing what the options were. You had a couple nice mixups I haven't seen used before though. Between blocking, venom and pushblock the trait doesn't scare me too much. Thing is against Bane as Zod, it's kind of hard to step up the defense on knockdown. It's not really a batman pressure mix up, it's a guess or you're eating another knockdown. His backdash is good for zoning, but it's honestly a curse at points in the matchup. Has quite a bit of recovery and lets me get in your face.

Lol and if it's braindead then more Banes would be doing it.
 

Zyphox

What is going on guys, Ya Boi Zyphox here.
That's because only two do that shit

Maybe people will realize I'm right when they play other people I mention

I'm not a f ing idiot, I'm right
this is the thing when you go on these rebelo sprees, when you see a dumb character like bane being used in a way your not used to seeing you discredit that person, label them or say they aren't as good as XYZ, trust you, you just don't know. why is it that Grr not just have his own playstyle and be just as good or better than max or bipolar? i've played bipolar before, yeah he's good, i haven't been able to play max in a long time but i know he is good two, but just because you haven't played Grr doesn't mean your two bane players you play against are better than him. i will GUARANTEE and you can quote me for future reference, i will not lose to any other bane in tournament. in one month i will have that opportunity if me and max meet each other in tournament at UFGT. idk which tournaments bipolar is going to but same thing. i also plan to MM max at UFGT if he's down or just a ft10 set offline would be great. please pig just play Grr, this kid makes godlike reads, maybe he doesn't do all this advanced bane stuff max and bipolar do, but he is solid, he adapts really well and has tournament experience. its the same way some other east coast players are, rico was never the most technical BA, but the best. #fuckthenewleafeh?
 

Pig Of The Hut

Day 0 Phenomenal Dr. Fate and Darkseid player
this is the thing when you go on these rebelo sprees, when you see a dumb character like bane being used in a way your not used to seeing you discredit that person, label them or say they aren't as good as XYZ, trust you, you just don't know. why is it that Grr not just have his own playstyle and be just as good or better than max or bipolar? i've played bipolar before, yeah he's good, i haven't been able to play max in a long time but i know he is good two, but just because you haven't played Grr doesn't mean your two bane players you play against are better than him. i will GUARANTEE and you can quote me for future reference, i will not lose to any other bane in tournament. in one month i will have that opportunity if me and max meet each other in tournament at UFGT. idk which tournaments bipolar is going to but same thing. i also plan to MM max at UFGT if he's down or just a ft10 set offline would be great. please pig just play Grr, this kid makes godlike reads, maybe he doesn't do all this advanced bane stuff max and bipolar do, but he is solid, he adapts really well and has tournament experience. its the same way some other east coast players are, rico was never the most technical BA, but the best. #fuckthenewleafeh?
I will be there front and center for you vs Max, Ill make sure this gets set up

Grr is very good but he's third best

Im sorry if this bothers you so much, next time ill lie and say "yes zyphox EVERY PLAYER ON THIS PLANET FROM now on is of the same equal skill level"

You think GRR is best and i think max and bipolar are better, we'll see GRR is best when you beat and blow @GGA Max up

Rico was the best black adam but he hasnt made it out of pools since the patch and @AK Smarrgasm has. He's most accomplished but smar is best now
 

GGA Max

Well-Known Member
this is the thing when you go on these rebelo sprees, when you see a dumb character like bane being used in a way your not used to seeing you discredit that person, label them or say they aren't as good as XYZ, trust you, you just don't know. why is it that Grr not just have his own playstyle and be just as good or better than max or bipolar? i've played bipolar before, yeah he's good, i haven't been able to play max in a long time but i know he is good two, but just because you haven't played Grr doesn't mean your two bane players you play against are better than him. i will GUARANTEE and you can quote me for future reference, i will not lose to any other bane in tournament. in one month i will have that opportunity if me and max meet each other in tournament at UFGT. idk which tournaments bipolar is going to but same thing. i also plan to MM max at UFGT if he's down or just a ft10 set offline would be great. please pig just play Grr, this kid makes godlike reads, maybe he doesn't do all this advanced bane stuff max and bipolar do, but he is solid, he adapts really well and has tournament experience. its the same way some other east coast players are, rico was never the most technical BA, but the best. #fuckthenewleafeh?
Alright fuck this. GTFO with that east coast fraud shit. I'm the best and I'll own every single Flash, bring on any flash @AK Harold , @Jim , @SEV Bane beats flash 10-0. Shit. $10,000 MM. Let's go fgt. @AK Pig Of The Hut 's got my back, he'll throw another stack on there bitch.

But really, I'll play you man. I heard Flash beats Bane, but I haven't seen convincing evidence yet. Anyways, should be fun. I don't care for the money, but the knowledge would be nice.
 

Zyphox

What is going on guys, Ya Boi Zyphox here.
I will be there front and center for you vs Max, Ill make sure this gets set up

Grr is very good but he's third best

Im sorry if this bothers you so much, next time ill lie and say "yes zyphox EVERY PLAYER ON THIS PLANET FROM now on is of the same equal skill level"

You think GRR is best and i think max and bipolar are better, we'll see GRR is best when you beat and blow @GGA Max up

Rico was the best black adam but he hasnt made it out of pools since the patch and @AK Smarrgasm has. He's most accomplished but smar is best now
i never said i thought Grr was the best, but not 3rd, he got 5th at NEC for crying out loud, if we went by how good they are online mine and harold's placing would be shit compared to muffin muggers, max got 2nd at KIT but how is bipolar better without going offline even once yet? this is nothing against bipolar but I of all people was heavily rebelo'd and told to put up or shut up, i can imagine if i didn't do what i did at WB lol also didn't you beat rico to play smarr to make it to top 8 at FR? rico got 13th at FR, and 9th at WB. he failed to make it out at NEC and that is it to my knowledge.
 

Zyphox

What is going on guys, Ya Boi Zyphox here.
Alright fuck this. GTFO with that east coast fraud shit. I'm the best and I'll own every single Flash, bring on any flash @AK Harold , @Jim , @SEV Bane beats flash 10-0. Shit. $10,000 MM. Let's go fgt. @AK Pig Of The Hut 's got my back, he'll throw another stack on there bitch.

But really, I'll play you man. I heard Flash beats Bane, but I haven't seen convincing evidence yet. Anyways, should be fun. I don't care for the money, but the knowledge would be nice.
haha i read the first paragraph in brady's voice for some reason. anyway it should be fun, i don't doubt your the best bane, you have it all, i just hate that Grr is getting thrown under the bus in the discussion. can't wait for UFGT.
 
The zoning only works for so long though, his back dash is good but eventually you're cornered, and a zod charge isn't to hard to catch up to. Yea you can jump 2 tick throws, thing is if you do that and I double punch like I did it's going to catch you, it's a pure guessing game. And thing is with the over head you can dash cancel it, it's honestly pretty damn hard to react to it on knockdown though, there's so many threats. Honestly a lot of the trait shenanigans was me knowing what the options were. You had a couple nice mixups I haven't seen used before though. Between blocking, venom and pushblock the trait doesn't scare me too much. Thing is against Bane as Zod, it's kind of hard to step up the defense on knockdown. It's not really a batman pressure mix up, it's a guess or you're eating another knockdown. His backdash is good for zoning, but it's honestly a curse at points in the matchup. Has quite a bit of recovery and lets me get in your face.

Lol and if it's braindead then more Banes would be doing it.

well i mean zod and martian have their fair share of bullshit but taking your dick and shoving it down my asshole and their being very little i can do about it feels braindead and cheap as shit. just because people don't do it doesn't mean that tis not cheap, your mixup game is the best i have seen out of almost any character in this game i am just saying bane is like fucking everything about eveyrthing type of character. Bane plays how bane shoudl though.

I am just saying their a lot of things i can do, like tightening my slow balls at ful 3/4 screen so you can armor through because of 2 hits, dash forward and backdashing with trait to use it as a whiff punish, and doing a better job dealing with the tick throw setups and getting a punish. I agree with everything your saying but i feel that if i grind out the matchup with zod and use my reactions along with guessing to level the playing field and get full combo punishes and i can make the matchup feel way different. problem is i was getting hit by more than i should. i was doing a subpar job in a lot of areas with what zod can do. A lot of matchups with zod i have done poorly in the past with and then leveled up. Your bane's mixup game in short is phenomonal.

When i look at matchups i don't go by how well i do against people i look at what happens when the matchup is down pat, and when the matchup is down pat i feel there are a lot of things zod can do vs bane i need just to personally do better in the knockdown scenario. I am not saying it isnt ridiculous on knockdown.

@Qwark28

I actually have quite a bit of bane experience from playing one of my main sparring buddies who is a highly intelligent player who i feel should be designing these games. and i am well aware zod cna punish uppercut.

thing is bipolar express for the most part does tick throw setups which i need to work on getting out of better, coincidentally anti-static is teaching me how to deal with them better. bipolars tick throw setups are hard ot react to and pretty brutal because he does b2 into command grab which you cannot neutral jump and d2 into command grab and often i react but fail to get any sort of punish so he just armors me again. most banes do a lot of naked command grabs, bipolar onlhy does them at excellent and rare times. thats why our games were "bipolar" in a sense because my martian can wakeup and my zod can't

i have gone into the lab regarding these setups, they are still brutal because he has so many fucking options to react to and can just upperucut or overhead instead of grabbing and they are hard to punish, they can be mbb3ed on reaction but i always get pushblock online lol...

even when zod does jump its like his jump1 isn't fast enough to punish.
 
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GGA Max

Well-Known Member
haha i read the first paragraph in brady's voice for some reason. anyway it should be fun, i don't doubt your the best bane, you have it all, i just hate that Grr is getting thrown under the bus in the discussion. can't wait for UFGT.
thanks bro. i cant wait either. lots of new people coming ive never met. and yeah that is rough, grr really supports this game, seems like a classy guy.
 
I don't know why it was in here and I do not know why my name was thrown in here, but I have been waiting to play @GGA Max. Saying you will outright beat me is fine just give me a timeline so I can practice and get some money ready if we really are doing a 1k money match. I always thought it was even or worse, BUT me vs you is a whole different story.
 

GGA Max

Well-Known Member
I don't know why it was in here and I do not know why my name was thrown in here, but I have been waiting to play @GGA Max. Saying you will outright beat me is fine just give me a timeline so I can practice and get some money ready if we really are doing a 1k money match. I always thought it was even or worse, BUT me vs you is a whole different story.
sorry if it wasnt obvious, but the first paragraph was a mockery of the classless hype popoffs that people do. no actual call outs lol. im excited to play you too btw. you going to ufgt?
 
sorry if it wasnt obvious, but the first paragraph was a mockery of the classless hype popoffs that people do. no actual call outs lol. im excited to play you too btw. you going to ufgt?
man I got riled up for no reason. . . I will be playing Catan. . . just came to defend my honor lol. I will not be anywhere for a little bit.
 
i never said i thought Grr was the best, but not 3rd, he got 5th at NEC for crying out loud, if we went by how good they are online mine and harold's placing would be shit compared to muffin muggers, max got 2nd at KIT but how is bipolar better without going offline even once yet? this is nothing against bipolar but I of all people was heavily rebelo'd and told to put up or shut up, i can imagine if i didn't do what i did at WB lol also didn't you beat rico to play smarr to make it to top 8 at FR? rico got 13th at FR, and 9th at WB. he failed to make it out at NEC and that is it to my knowledge.
All fairness i went to a regional pre patch lol. Bit more difficult for me to make them. I'm west coast Canada so nowhere near east coast monthly majors. Cali is the closest for me, and the tickets are still at least $400. Have to pick and choose my tournaments. Ideally with my new job I'll be able to make one every few months. And I think with the whole online thing you can tell when people are actually good. Hence your rebello, foxy qwark etc. Not denying there's a difference between the two. And people can have opinions. Some people like grr somee other peoples play style, not a huge issue. If it was I'm sure grr would be posting.
 

OG Mannimal

OG "OG Mannimal" Mannimal
@AK Pig Of The Hut Ok can I point something out to you? You berate Gross for saying he is better than you because he "beat you in casuals." Then you proceed to say that Bipolar is better than Grr. Despite Grr placing at NEC. Now, I'm definitely not trying to knock Bipolar, because he is obviously a very good player, but I don't want to hear about how he is better than Grr until he places in tournament, or you can change your opinion about how much casuals matter, but until then I don't want to hear how Bipolar is better than Grr just because he whoops on you online. Stop being a hypocrite.
 

Pig Of The Hut

Day 0 Phenomenal Dr. Fate and Darkseid player
@AK Pig Of The Hut Ok can I point something out to you? You berate Gross for saying he is better than you because he "beat you in casuals." Then you proceed to say that Bipolar is better than Grr. Despite Grr placing at NEC. Now, I'm definitely not trying to knock Bipolar, because he is obviously a very good player, but I don't want to hear about how he is better than Grr until he places in tournament, or you can change your opinion about how much casuals matter, but until then I don't want to hear how Bipolar is better than Grr just because he whoops on you online. Stop being a hypocrite.

First he doesn't whoop me online

Second if u asked me who would I rather face in tourney max bipolar or grr id say GRR.

Third it's my f ing opinion, not yours

Fourth I'm sorry once again I say things publicly everyone says privately in illuminati Skype calls where everyone says the same thing

This is why we lie, so here we go

Guys my new inspired bane placement

1. GRR - 5th at NEC and beat zyphox at break

2. Max - 2nd because KIt was a fraud major and no one from the break was there

3rd. FK jr cause he went to a regional once w bane / ares and got 7th

4th. Big d - although retired after CEO he went to a major w all bane and got 9th or 13th I believe

5th. This random bane I played at KIT in casuals, didn't catch his name but he was in attendance so he was there and bipolar wasn't

6th. Bipolar - I mean aside from his games online does this guy really exist? I don't know but I do know he's now bottom of the banes . Who wouldn't want this guy in their pool?
 
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Pig Of The Hut

Day 0 Phenomenal Dr. Fate and Darkseid player
@AK Pig Of The Hut Ok can I point something out to you? You berate Gross for saying he is better than you because he "beat you in casuals." Then you proceed to say that Bipolar is better than Grr. Despite Grr placing at NEC. Now, I'm definitely not trying to knock Bipolar, because he is obviously a very good player, but I don't want to hear about how he is better than Grr until he places in tournament, or you can change your opinion about how much casuals matter, but until then I don't want to hear how Bipolar is better than Grr just because he whoops on you online. Stop being a hypocrite.
Also remember in oct when I warned everyone about theo w Aquaman and people kinda shrugged at it

Yeaaaa maybe I do know wtf I'm talking about and am I good judge of skill