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Youphemism

Youphemism

Gunslinger since pre patch (sh/out to The Farmer)
LtLuthor said:
Just so I know what you're saying:

You believe a 14-frame mixup is reactable?
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I reacted to it whilst playing someone earlier quite consistently, if you watch for one coming out and it comes out block it accordingly. Or else just block the other one. It's like breaking combos in KI, it's possible. Just practice and work on reactions
 
Pan1cMode

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Youphemism said:
I reacted to it whilst playing someone earlier quite consistently, if you watch for one coming out and it comes out block it accordingly. Or else just block the other one. It's like breaking combos in KI, it's possible. Just practice and work on reactions
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No, you can't react to it. Lbsh, it's unseeable and there isn't an audio cue you could use either (like the MB noise for KF's MB f3). I agree with you on most things, but that's just not true.
 
Crathen

Crathen

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Pan1cMode said:
That was essentially what @Youphemism was saying.

Also, on #3, the 5-6 characters I play I spent all of 5 minutes in the lab with and found a way to stuff wakeup cartwheel. I'm almost positive every character has a way to do it. It's pretty easy to stuff tbh.
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Problem is that if you stuff cartwheel , either teleport or shoryuken can hit you or bat evade can get you out of it. There's always an option she has available, or she could even backdash your normal.

You know vortex characters aren't seen as "skillfull" in the FGC , batgirl is great at being a vortex character.
 
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Crathen said:
Problem is that if you stuff cartwheel , either teleport or shoryuken can hit you or bat evade can get you out of it. There's always an option she has available, or she could even backdash your normal.

You know vortex characters aren't seen as "skillfull" in the FGC , batgirl is great at being a vortex character.
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MMH, Flash, BM can stuff it on reaction. BG can too. Frost can parry but that gets beat out by tele.

I don't know which character you play but there are several setups which make her wakeups all punishable. I know Harley and Zatanna have them but I'm sure if you labbed it out enough you'd find something. Can DS d2 cartwheel on reaction? Have you even tried that?
 
Tony at Home

Tony at Home

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Youphemism said:
I reacted to it whilst playing someone earlier quite consistently, if you watch for one coming out and it comes out block it accordingly. Or else just block the other one. It's like breaking combos in KI, it's possible. Just practice and work on reactions
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You cannot react to a 14 frame mixup.
 
TheBoyBlunder

TheBoyBlunder

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Pan1cMode said:
What about his list was untrue?

How is it 100x worse than blatantly stating falsities?
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The dude is telling people to use another character if their character doesn't have the tools to punish Batgirl.
^ That statement alone already tells you how much this guy knows about his character. You can't punish? Drop your character.

It's the probably the funniest list I've read on TYM. What's funny is that the guy isn't really a strong BG player thus why he's downplaying and made this thread. He doesn't fully understand what Batgirl can do at a pro level. If he wants to understand more, I invite him to play a very good Batgirl player and get bodied and let's see him "be a man and block 50/50s". This dude acting like he wrote the book on Batgirl and has all the answers to the character because he reads frame data. lol

is Batgirl the best character in the game? Hell no. She's top 3-5 because MMH has freedom over most of the cast and Aquaman is still fucking good. Does she have multiple options over majority of the cast and is the best vortex character in the game? I believe yes and that's my opinion. Her being nerfed or buffed doesn't matter anymore, fighting games will always have whacky characters and NRS isn't ashamed to let these characters exist strongly.

The guy shared basic knowledge that everyone on this site knows from a long time ago. It's a waste of a thread, arguably top 5 worst thread in 2014 already. I'm mad yall got me writing in this thread lol
 
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TheBoyBlunder said:
The dude is telling people to use another character if their character doesn't have the tools to punish Batgirl.
^ That statement alone already tells you how much this guy knows about his character. You can't punish? Drop your character.

It's the probably the funniest list I've read on TYM. What's funny is that the guy isn't really a strong BG player thus why he's downplaying and made this thread. He doesn't fully understand what Batgirl can do at a pro level. If he wants to understand more, I invite him to play a very good Batgirl player and get bodied and let's see him "be a man and block 50/50s". This dude acting like he wrote the book on Batgirl and has all the answers to the character because he reads frame data. lol

is Batgirl the best character in the game? Hell no. She's top 3-5 because MMH has freedom over most of the cast and Aquaman is still fucking good. Does she have multiple options over majority of the cast and is the best vortex character in the game? I believe yes and that's my opinion. Her being nerfed or buffed doesn't matter anymore, fighting games will always have whacky characters and NRS isn't ashamed to let these characters exist strongly.

The guy shared basic knowledge that everyone on this site knows from a long time ago. It's a waste of a thread, arguably top 5 worst thread in 2014 already. I'm mad yall got me writing in this thread lol
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Still, nothing he said was false. I do agree it's a short sighted to say that you should pick up another character. The fact of the matter is though, that she doesn't beat anyone in this game worse than 6-4 and in fact goes even with most the cast.

I'm sick of hearing how "God tier" her wakeups are (when I can't even wakeup against Flash, Joker or MMH). If it was basic knowledge that cartwheel is easily punished by the vast majority of the cast or that almost every character has setups for preventing BG from waking up, why the hell does everyone still claim her wakeups are god tier? Zatanna, Shazam and Ares; they have god-tier wakeups.
 
TheBoyBlunder

TheBoyBlunder

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Pan1cMode said:
Still, nothing he said was false. I do agree it's a short sighted to say that you should pick up another character. The fact of the matter is though, that she doesn't beat anyone in this game worse than 6-4 and in fact goes even with most the cast.

I'm sick of hearing how "God tier" her wakeups are (when I can't even wakeup against Flash, Joker or MMH). If it was basic knowledge that cartwheel is easily punished by the vast majority of the cast or that almost every character has setups for preventing BG from waking up, why the hell does everyone still claim her wakeups are god tier? Zatanna, Shazam and Ares; they have god-tier wakeups.
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Her wake up can blown up by most people in this game. (but that's also a big guess since she has other wake up options and if you guess wrong you're in 50/50 town. Those two wake up options are unsafe so it's not that terrible at all nor a problem for anyone I think. I don't mind letting Batgirl wake up and im sure most people don't)

That's not the problem here.
However the hitbox on her cartwheel makes no damn sense.
It's kinda like Sabrewulf's special move in KI where the hit box is massive.
It invites players to abuse it mindlessly and put them in a compromising position.
 
Youphemism

Youphemism

Gunslinger since pre patch (sh/out to The Farmer)
TheBoyBlunder said:
The dude is telling people to use another character if their character doesn't have the tools to punish Batgirl.
^ That statement alone already tells you how much this guy knows about his character. You can't punish? Drop your character.

It's the probably the funniest list I've read on TYM. What's funny is that the guy isn't really a strong BG player thus why he's downplaying and made this thread. He doesn't fully understand what Batgirl can do at a pro level. If he wants to understand more, I invite him to play a very good Batgirl player and get bodied and let's see him "be a man and block 50/50s". This dude acting like he wrote the book on Batgirl and has all the answers to the character because he reads frame data. lol

is Batgirl the best character in the game? Hell no. She's top 3-5 because MMH has freedom over most of the cast and Aquaman is still fucking good. Does she have multiple options over majority of the cast and is the best vortex character in the game? I believe yes and that's my opinion. Her being nerfed or buffed doesn't matter anymore, fighting games will always have whacky characters and NRS isn't ashamed to let these characters exist strongly.

The guy shared basic knowledge that everyone on this site knows from a long time ago. It's a waste of a thread, arguably top 5 worst thread in 2014 already. I'm mad yall got me writing in this thread lol
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Yeah like you're the king of Injustice either, get off your high horse man, jeez.

It was a joke man. Obviously you go into practice and find something, who the hell would drop a character because of one move?

How do you know I'm not a strong Batgirl player? You've never seen me play, so stop making assumptions and prove to me with facts how anything I've mentioned in the OP is wrong. AND I CLEARLY STATED IT'S NOT A DOWNPLAYING THREAD

I never said I was the best Batgirl or knew everything about her, stfu

Your third paragraph is the most logical, correct thing in your post.

If it's basic knowledge everyone knows then why aren't they using it? Hmm? How many times has this been put into practice? Give me an example of a time this has been used in tournament because I sure as hell don't see it often.

And lastly, why you being so hostile about me proving a point? Damn...
 
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TheBoyBlunder said:
Her wake up can blown up by most people in this game. (but that's also a big guess since she has other wake up options and if you guess wrong you're in 50/50 town. Those two wake up options are unsafe so it's not that terrible at all nor a problem for anyone I think. I don't mind letting Batgirl wake up and im sure most people don't)

That's not the problem here.
However the hitbox on her cartwheel makes no damn sense.
It's kinda like Sabrewulf's special move in KI where the hit box is massive.
It invites players to abuse it mindlessly and put them in a compromising position.
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No I think you misunderstand me, ALL of BG's wakeups can be stuffed by a large portion of the cast with the same setup. It's not just cartwheel. For instance, Flash can just duck next to BG and d2 cartwheel and db3 on reaction while blocking tele and df2. Go to the lab and find that setup with your character cause I know I have with mine.
 
Youphemism

Youphemism

Gunslinger since pre patch (sh/out to The Farmer)
Espio said:
I like how the argument of someone's character not being able to punish a move was to pick someone else, that's always comforting lol....
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It was a joke, but I'll remove it since it's causing confusion

Edit: OP changed
 
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