a Tier list because its been a while

[Pan1cMode]

Zod and Aquaman beat Batman for sure. Harley gl Bane Martian and others are very hard 5-5's. Batman doesn't beat a single character in this game 7-3 or worse, but there are alot of characters in this game that dominate multiple matchups 7-3 or worse. In my opinion, Flash, WonderWoman, Aquaman, Killer Frost, and MMH don't have a single bad matchup in the game. So how can Batman be placed above these characters?

I respect your opinion but I'm telling you that KF vs. MMH is at least 4-6 as is KF vs. Cyborg.

I also understand exactly where you're coming from with BG. She loses at least one MU badly and I argue that she loses against BM and MMH too.

Sinestro isn't in the possible top 5 discussion either. I'm not saying Batman sucks I'm just saying he isn't in the possible top 5 discussion

You don't understand how irritating it is to see people say "Batman is possible top 3 bro" Or "Batman is the best character in the game, real talk"

Those people that say those things could pick Batman against me while I'm using like 5 different characters and they would probably get 10-o'd by each character lol

I understand exactly how annoying it is cause I hear it with BG all the time. "Definite top 5, even though she doesn't 7-3 anyone, has 3 losing MUs and majority even MUs, she's guaranteed top 5! Forget MMH, Zod, AM, Flash, WW - BG is obviously better" BG is very similar to BM in the way that she doesn't have any 7-3 MUs and goes even with most of the cast.

bad tier list, no explanation on why certain characters are placed in their tiers. like why is zatanna B tier? have you sat down and played against a high level zatanna for hours? do you know all of zatanna's match ups that you are qualified to put her there? Also how in the hell can you put mmh as s+ tier when he possibly loses to doomsday and batgirl?aren't s+ tier is reserved for broken characters. I bet some of these matchups you've never even seen before like bane vs cyborg. Now come back when you can give a detailed description on why these characters are where they are then we can discuss xD oh yeah and you have way too many tiers by the way.

There is absolutely 0 chance that BG beats MMH. At absolute best it's 5-5 but I think it's probably closer to 4-6 MMH's favour.

Also to be honest, Zatanna probably sits around 13-16th best, strictly mid tier, so yes, she would be considered B tier.

 

[Fred Marvel]

again, S tier implies that the top tiers get destroyed by him which is not the case.
he is dumb, but so is bane and shit ton of other characters.
It all depends on who you play.

alread addressed that on the first page he can just be dumb S tier

 

[Vak Phoenix]

lol your avatar cracks me up for some reason

thats me...

 

[@MylesWright_]

In my opinion, Flash, WonderWoman, Aquaman, Killer Frost, and MMH don't have a single bad matchup in the game. So how can Batman be placed above these characters?

How can Killer Frost not have a single bad match-up in the game but Batman does when her match-ups are 20x worse than an Aquaman that may slip out of your combo or anti-air you maybe once. Any match where Batman cannot j2 the hell out of the opponent is perceived as a bad match-up when it is not

 

[JDM]

KF's parry is 1 frame? I had no idea it could counter b13... damn. Looking like KF's favor in that MU then..

 

[Phosferrax]

In my opinion, Flash, WonderWoman, Aquaman, Killer Frost, and MMH don't have a single bad matchup in the game.

Most agree that Flash loses to Zatanna. The boat is out on WoWo v Zod as well.

 

[Pan1cMode]

Most agree that Flash loses to Zatanna. The boat is out on WoWo v Zod as well.

I agree that flash loses to Zatanna but my training partner @n-megabytes insists it's even.

 

[iloveTSA]

green lantern is a far superior character to shazam, i also feel deathstroke should be moved up a tier, and possibly catwoman, they arefar superior to the rest of that tier

I agree with you, because the OP made so many unnecessary tier categories I didn't want to do the same.
But in order to make things more fair it's necessary, I've updated my post.

Spoiler

A+: Martian Manhunter
A-: Zod (probably A+ in the future, because this character has crazy tech potential), Aquaman, Batgirl, Batman, Wonder Woman
B+: Superman, Flash, Black Adam, Bane, Doomsday, Raven, Sinestro, Zatanna, Harley Quinn
B-: Green Lantern, Catwoman, Hawkgirl, Deathstroke
C+: Killer Frost, Green Arrow, Nightwing, Lex Luthor, Solomon Grundy, Shazam, Lobo
C-: Joker, Cyborg, Ares, Scorpion

 

[Vak Phoenix]

Most agree that Flash loses to Zatanna. The boat is out on WoWo v Zod as well.

flash loses to hg as well

 

[Phosferrax]

I agree that flash loses to Zatanna but my training partner @n-megabytes insists it's even.

What are his talking points for it being even?

 

[Pan1cMode]

What are his talking points for it being even?

She can't use trance, he gets a free dash after regular rings, he out damages her and carries her to the corner. In the corner she can't wakeup and so has to deal with his mixups, fireballs aren't that hard to deal with (he walks forward and blocks it), trait is over-rated (he shakes though most stuff and punishes cage with bf2), she doesn't deal well with up close pressure...

Anyways, he'll probably explain it better than I do. Even though he beats me in that MU I still think it's in Zatanna's favour. My Zatanna is just shitty haha.

 

[Vak Phoenix]

this is my tier list personally.

 

[WhatTheGrayson]

Nw keeps dropping every tier list

PS.. Cyborg is Shit tier on regular tier lists.. But S+ In nw's world..... Double

THATS BECAUSE YOU'RE USING STAFF ALL THE TIME.
You need to use Escrima for certain match ups.

 

[n-megabytes]

What are his talking points for it being even?

Pan1cMode pretty much covered the whole thing...

She can't use trance, he gets a free dash after regular rings, he out damages her and carries her to the corner. In the corner she can't wakeup and so has to deal with his mixups, fireballs aren't that hard to deal with (he walks forward and blocks it), trait is over-rated (he shakes though most stuff and punishes cage with bf2), she doesn't deal well with up close pressure...

Anyways, he'll probably explain it better than I do. Even though he beats me in that MU I still think it's in Zatanna's favour. My Zatanna is just shitty haha.

I'd prob add RMS 3 goes under the fireball as well and pretty sure it's possible to hit her out of it before it starts up with lightning charge on reaction...

I personally thing that Zatana and hawkgirl are hard for flash... @AK Pig Of The Hut said that flash loses to zod 4-6 so I'd take his word for it as I am not certain about that matchup... If pig can just give a bit of reasoning why though that would be really appreciated because i'm curious to know why...

Apart from that I think he goes even or beats the rest of the cast

 

[Phosferrax]

Pan1cMode pretty much covered the whole thing...



I'd prob add RMS 3 goes under the fireball as well and pretty sure it's possible to hit her out of it before it starts up with lightning charge on reaction...

I personally thing that Zatana and hawkgirl are hard for flash... @AK Pig Of The Hut said that flash loses to zod 4-6 so I'd take his word for it as I am not certain about that matchup... If pig can just give a bit of reasoning why though that would be really appreciated because i'm curious to know why...

Apart from that I think he goes even or beats the rest of the cast

You on xbl?

 

[studderbox]

Why do we need a tier list now or even at all? This game is so balanced and unique. I think we should just enjoy it for what it is and have fun with our characters :]

 

[Phosferrax]

She can't use trance, he gets a free dash after regular rings, he out damages her and carries her to the corner. In the corner she can't wakeup and so has to deal with his mixups.

Why do you say she can't wake-up in the corner?

 

[ETC AdmiralAugustus]

Fuck your tears

 

[SaltShaker]

this is my tier list personally.

MMH needs to be higher and more to the right. So far in the upper right corner that he's almost off the page.

I would literally switch Grundy and Bane, move Raven one up, DD one down, NW one down, Zatanna one up, but most of the list I agree with.

 

[MidTierHarley]

Sinestro might actually be a 3-7 or just a really hard 4-6. He gets trait really easily ind I ce then gg. He also has footsies that are ALMOST on par with GL but his vortex gives him huge potential damage or free trait I can't see how this isn't his second worst matchup

 

[TKB]

this is my tier list personally.

Sinestro higher up and Grundy a bit lower. Also is this saying that shazam is more rounded overall than Deathstroke? No way. I think Deathstroke should be higher too though.

 

[MidTierHarley]

this is my tier list personally.

God there's so much wrong with this. Why are lobo and sinestro in that tier smh. Zatanna should be the tier above as we'll as bane.

 

[Vak Phoenix]

God there's so much wrong with this. Why are lobo and sinestro in that tier smh. Zatanna should be the tier above as we'll as bane.

lobo cant zone, gets punished one trait charge up easily. does a great damage but is still mid tier. From DD-Shazam its mid tier. i think i should have switched zatanna and nw. hm thats true.
sinestro... is the less mobile character in the game... 0 low starters... easy to get around his zoning... his trait is good but needs to charge it.. so he is mid tier. low tier are scorp, hawkgirl, ares, joker and cyborg...
p.s u can shake ur head all u want.. it may change your face... which is a good thing

Sinestro higher up and Grundy a bit lower. Also is this saying that shazam is more rounded overall than Deathstroke? No way. I think Deathstroke should be higher too though.

yeah... i believe so cause of the teleport... crossup torpedo... which is also an overhead.... huge damage in corner... can do good like teleporting back and shoot lightning to annoy... thats what shazams do to my hg.

 

[JokeStroke]

Making a tier list based on statistics based on day 2 results should be easy...

Character matchups wins and loses in the after pools games with a subtraction variable for overall player skill... Example PL win with batman carries less wait than homelee win with batman for tier list purposes... sorry homelee

Player skill determined by win loss record in post pool matchups...

Then you measure overall character effectiveness by winning and losing matchups with variable regarding how often good and bad matchups appear on day two...

Then you would learn who is effective and who isnt...

We got any staticians up here?

 

[MidTierHarley]

lobo cant zone, gets punished one trait charge up easily. does a great damage but is still mid tier. From DD-Shazam its mid tier. i think i should have switched zatanna and nw. hm thats true.
sinestro... is the less mobile character in the game... 0 low starters... easy to get around his zoning... his trait is good but needs to charge it.. so he is mid tier. low tier are scorp, hawkgirl, ares, joker and cyborg...
p.s u can shake ur head all u want.. it may change your face... which is a good thing

yeah... i believe so cause of the teleport... crossup torpedo... which is also an overhead.... huge damage in corner... can do good like teleporting back and shoot lightning to annoy... thats what shazams do to my hg.

Sinestro is a lot better than you think man, he doesn't have the worst mobility in the game what the hell are you talking about. He has vortex good footsies good aa great zoning and his trait is really good. Have you even played against sinestro? Lol play p2w or Cowboy and then come back