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Match-up Discussion Nightwing Match-Up Discussion (1.06 and on)

Shaazzyam

Shaazzyam

undefeated online evo champion
OG Mannimal said:
I really don't feel that Raven is so hard for NW to warrant a 4-6 raven favor. If you guys get the life lead, nothing is stopping you from turtling in staff with ground blast. I'm not saying I play the MU perfect, but I'll never know considering a certain NW player, who will go un-named, refuses to play me.
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RM Chongo said:
Trust me, nw wins it.

Wowo is just a better nw, I used to think it was 5-5 but maaaaaaan she has so many options. I'll do writeups when I'm not on my phone.

I go back and forth between 5-5 and 6-4 babs everyday
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Flash is still up in the air for me. In escrima NW has no solid way of keeping him out. And staff doesn't help you in the once youre in the corner.


I think its interesting that you have WoWo as worse MU than Supes Laserface. At least NW can kinda zone WoWo. I would take her over lasers any day.


Would like to know why Joker beats NW as well.

Zod MU that bad huh?

And i dont wanna talk about the Zatanna MU:(
 
Chongo

Chongo

Dead Kings Rise
Shaazzyam said:
Flash is still up in the air for me. In escrima NW has no solid way of keeping him out. And staff doesn't help you in the once youre in the corner.
I'll do a writeup very soon.

I think its interesting that you have WoWo as worse MU than Supes Laserface. At least NW can kinda zone WoWo. I would take her over lasers any day.
How can you zone wowo when she has sword stance and iadg? Lasers aren't that bad.

Would like to know why Joker beats NW as well.
@Qwark28
Zod MU that bad huh?
Cyborg fireballs but isn't helpless up close.
And i dont wanna talk about the Zatanna MU:(
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Qwark28

Qwark28

Joker waiting room
Shaazzyam said:
Flash is still up in the air for me. In escrima NW has no solid way of keeping him out. And staff doesn't help you in the once youre in the corner.


I think its interesting that you have WoWo as worse MU than Supes Laserface. At least NW can kinda zone WoWo. I would take her over lasers any day.


Would like to know why Joker beats NW as well.

Zod MU that bad huh?

And i dont wanna talk about the Zatanna MU:(
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Why do you think he doesn't?
 
AssassiN

AssassiN

Noob
Braindead said:
Even if that Sinestro monstrosity gets fixed?
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It's not going to get fixed. The community needs to realize that the patching for Injustice is over.
NRS have moved on and are working on the next MK game. I'm guessing WB keeps telling them that the time for patching is over and need to work on a new game.
 
Braindead

Braindead

I want Kronika to step on my face
AssassiN said:
It's not going to get fixed. The community needs to realize that the patching for Injustice is over.
NRS have moved on and are working on the next MK game. I'm guessing WB keeps telling them that the time for patching is over and need to work on a new game.
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Well from my emails with the WB support about the crappy online mode on Injustice on PC they mentioned they are working on a patch to solve the issues. But then again this has nothing to do with NRS itself.
 
Shaazzyam

Shaazzyam

undefeated online evo champion
Qwark28 said:
Why do you think he doesn't?
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Generally speaking, MUs were NW doesn't get zoned out and is actually the one doing the zoning....he doesn't lose. At the the very least its even. I don't think the Joker MU isn't anything to worry about.
 
Dirtylova

Dirtylova

YOLO FLYING GRAYSON BICH
Ok guys, lets not freak out, "toooo much" anyways. Haa! He still has to get the trait out before he starts anal probing all of us.. I have played a lot of sinestros including ptw.. There are times when he, "sinestro", wont even get his trait out till the second life bar while im still on my first. With that said, if he gets you to the second life bar, you should have a nice little lead, if not the following still applies. Clash, get rid of that pee shooter. Slowly work ur way in, punish boulders, duck dash, do what you do. JUST GET BACK IN.. If he goes for yolo trait charge, mb gp, dont follow with another gp, use the frame trap and flying grayson in and do work..


I know this ^^ is a sloppy, rambling mess but, we gotta start somewhere... Keepo

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Qwark28

Qwark28

Joker waiting room
Shaazzyam said:
Generally speaking, MUs were NW doesn't get zoned out and is actually the one doing the zoning....he doesn't lose. At the the very least its even. I don't think the Joker MU isn't anything to worry about.
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Joker with the lead zones you out. Any other things you think make this even?
 
Shaazzyam

Shaazzyam

undefeated online evo champion
Qwark28 said:
Joker with the lead zones you out. Any other things you think make this even?
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In staff, sure. But in escrima I don't have to respect Joker's zoning. Dick just ducks it with ground spark. Throw in a few wingdings here and there, too. Hey, look at all the meter I just built. So ultimately, Joker is the one who is coming in on this MU.
Up close, I think it's safe to say Dick has more, or equal, reach in either stance. Staff pokes to keep him out. B2 and frame traps in escrima. On knockdown, what is Joker waking up with that I can't stuff with flipkick? How does joker handle NW corner pressure?

The only hard part in this MU is when NW is in the corner. Of course you have to get us there first. But I don't see Joker having one strength making this a 6-4.
 
Qwark28

Qwark28

Joker waiting room
Shaazzyam said:
In staff, sure. But in escrima I don't have to respect Joker's zoning. Dick just ducks it with ground spark. Throw in a few wingdings here and there, too. Hey, look at all the meter I just built. So ultimately, Joker is the one who is coming in on this MU.
Up close, I think it's safe to say Dick has more, or equal, reach in either stance. Staff pokes to keep him out. B2 and frame traps in escrima. On knockdown, what is Joker waking up with that I can't stuff with flipkick? How does joker handle NW corner pressure?

The only hard part in this MU is when NW is in the corner. Of course you have to get us there first. But I don't see Joker having one strength making this a 6-4.
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Why would I ever wake up against NW?

NW doesn't have more reach than Joker's D2 which gives him a combo on hit.

J3 and J2 is something NW can do nothing about.

When Joker has the lifelead YOU get in.
 
Dirtylova

Dirtylova

YOLO FLYING GRAYSON BICH
Qwark28 said:
Why would I ever wake up against NW?

NW doesn't have more reach than Joker's D2 which gives him a combo on hit.

J3 and J2 is something NW can do nothing about.

When Joker has the lifelead YOU get in.
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his d2 has more range than staff s1, huh! s1 also gives a combo, except ours leads to max 41-44% or 38-40% if we choose to end with a hard knock down. Which leads,,,, to more pressure or room to get away.. And since you dont wake up against nw < thank you by the way, you open urself up to more staff/stance cancel/wing ding pressure
 
Qwark28

Qwark28

Joker waiting room
Dirtylova said:
his d2 has more range than staff s1, huh! s1 also gives a combo, except ours leads to max 41-44 -or 38-10 if choose to end with a hard knock down
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D2 is up to 37% damage into a cross setup.

This matchup's zoning is life lead based but Joker has better setups, better mixups, better wallcarry and a jumping game you can't deal with.
 
Dirtylova

Dirtylova

YOLO FLYING GRAYSON BICH
Qwark28 said:
Pressure without mixups is useless.

I don't care about your pressure, what will you do to punish my backdashes that isn't incredibly risky with barely any return? Wingdings are hella -
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Then we're talking about reads.. Wu back dash instead of,, whatever you jokers wake up with. Well, how about a mb ground pound on ur wakeup? You dash the first part of the gp but the second still pops you up. Ask and martian players :) << Some tend to back dash after over head tele
 
Qwark28

Qwark28

Joker waiting room
Dirtylova said:
Then we're talking about reads.. Wu back dash instead of,, whatever you jokers wake up with. Well, how about a mb ground pound on ur wakeup? You dash the first part of the gp but the second still pops you up. Ask and martian players :) << Some tend to back dash after over head tele
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Reads based on what we can do with our tools. I'm not talking about backdashing on wakeup, I have nothing to fear from your pressure because there's not a single mixup in it.
 
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