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Match-up Discussion Nightwing Match-Up Discussion (1.06 and on)

Dirtylova

Dirtylova

YOLO FLYING GRAYSON BICH
BigMilk said:
It's actually not just lag. WW b1 has a weird hurtbox. You can d12(+8) then follow up with a 33 which starts in 14 frames so technically it comes out in 6 frames yet she can trade or beat it consistently. I don't really know what's going on here but tested it and I lost majority of the time. I believe it may be a slightly disjointed hitbox or b1 has invincibility frames or it just has ridiculously good priority...who knows
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This is so dumb Arggg! lol
 
BigMilk

BigMilk

Former Divine Power Abuser
Yea it's a MU that's slightly in her favor imo simply because she controls air space, completely shuts down wake-ups, and manages meter so much better, but I am ok with the community calling it even, because better stance management will almost always be the victor.
 
AK L0rdoftheFLY

AK L0rdoftheFLY

I hatelove this game
BigMilk said:
It's actually not just lag. WW b1 has a weird hurtbox. You can d12(+8) then follow up with a 33 which starts in 14 frames so technically it comes out in 6 frames yet she can trade or beat it consistently. I don't really know what's going on here but tested it and I lost majority of the time. I believe it may be a slightly disjointed hitbox or b1 has invincibility frames or it just has ridiculously good priority...who knows
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It has more to do with where her hurt box is in comparison to the hitbox of b1. If you play KI...their practice mode offers this as an option to see. Its the same reason her d3 avoids overheads.

I believe the MU is 5-5 on paper...but if you abuse these hit/hurt box issues that she has over most of the cast, you get the sensation your fighting sonic fox's mileena. her ability to avoid damage is retarded. This might make it in her favor.
 
TheBoyBlunder

TheBoyBlunder

They love my Grayson
PSN NWs vs Starchargers Catwoman (probably the best on PSN)

@ICED_MOON22 vs Catwoman

@Chongo vs Catwoman

@Dja_Homies vs Catwoman


Very good job by everyone.



I'm going to ask Starcharger if he can let me do a FT10, he use to wash me when I was new to the game but I feel like I leveled and learn a lot, I want to see how I do and it was interesting to see Chongo, ICED and Homies style of play...they all approach the match up in their own way.
 
TheBoyBlunder

TheBoyBlunder

They love my Grayson
yo @TaffyMeat wanted to figure that Doomsday match up.

Was wondering if @Sajam could break it down for him, I know Sajam has been running games with SonicBoomBrad since the beginning of time, I don't know anyone else better who could fundamentally break down the NW vs DD MU for Taffy
 
Sajam

Sajam

Nightwing In Retirement
TheBoyBlunder said:
yo @TaffyMeat wanted to figure that Doomsday match up.

Was wondering if @Sajam could break it down for him, I know Sajam has been running games with SonicBoomBrad since the beginning of time, I don't know anyone else better who could fundamentally break down the NW vs DD MU for Taffy
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I'll do a write up for that MU later tonight when I get home or sometime tomorrow. It's a hard MU to understand at first.
 
macro

macro

Eezeepeezee
Ok guy's i need alot of help vs WW so any advice on the matchup would be good.
Or if any of you now a good WW to vs that's awesome.
Like i said i just need to learn this matchup.
 
AK Gookus

AK Gookus

Slant-eyed Nightwing
I know Sajam will definitely be able to help you with that. I'm sure he plays Filipino Man all the time and I've seen him bust out his WW in some shenanigans. But generally, its just...hold the same amount of weapons she holds :p Escrima vs Sword/Shield and Staff vs Lasso.

What specifically opens you up in the match up? Her air mobility? The f3 oki bullshit game? I struggled with blocking her air mixups and figuring out the gaps in her pressure for a while. Haven't played Goomba in a while, so imma stray from any real advice as it mayyy be wrong now
 
Dirtylova

Dirtylova

YOLO FLYING GRAYSON BICH
macro said:
Ok guy's i need alot of help vs WW so any advice on the matchup would be good.
Or if any of you now a good WW to vs that's awesome.
Like i said i just need to learn this matchup.
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Filipinoman bro. Not sure where you're from but, as you already know he's in socal. So the connect would be a lot better than fighting foxy, i think foxy's from narnia somewhere cause the connection = migraines :)

You can add him from my fl,the dude is pretty cool and im sure he'll be more than willing to get a nice long set in with you.
 
macro

macro

Eezeepeezee
Dirtylova said:
Filipinoman bro. Not sure where you're from but, as you already know he's in socal. So the connect would be a lot better than fighting foxy, i think foxy's from narnia somewhere cause the connection = migraines :)

You can add him from my fl,the dude is pretty cool and im sure he'll be more than willing to get a nice long set in with you.
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Thanks. And i think i laught a bit to hard at that narnia joke.
 
Chongo

Chongo

Dead Kings Rise
Aquaman 5-5
Ares 6.5-3.5
Bane 5-5
Batgirl 5-5
Batmayne 5-5
Wack Adam 4-6
Catwoman 5-5
Cyborg 4-6
DS 5-5
Doomsday 6-4
Flash 6-4 (don't argue this with me)
Green Arrow 6-4
Green Lantern 4-6
Harley 5-5 (?)
Hawkgirl 4-6
Joker 4-6
Killer Frost 4-6
Lex 5-5
Lobo 6-4
MMH 5-5
Raven 4-6
Scorpion 6-4
Shazam 6-4
Sinestro 3-7
Solomon Money 5-5
Superman 4-6
Wonder Woman 3.5-6.5
Zatanna 4-6
Zod 3.5-6.5


Hey look I made a MU chart because I'm hollywood. Tell me why I'm wrong.
 
Sajam

Sajam

Nightwing In Retirement
Pretty much exactly what I had.

A few of my numbers changed because people wouldn't stop yelling at me until I changed them, but looks good.
 
Shaazzyam

Shaazzyam

undefeated online evo champion
RM Chongo said:
Aquaman 5-5
Ares 6.5-3.5
Bane 5-5
Batgirl 5-5
Batmayne 5-5
Wack Adam 4-6
Catwoman 5-5
Cyborg 4-6
DS 5-5
Doomsday 6-4
Flash 6-4 (don't argue this with me)
Green Arrow 6-4
Green Lantern 4-6
Harley 5-5 (?)
Hawkgirl 4-6
Joker 4-6
Killer Frost 4-6
Lex 5-5
Lobo 6-4
MMH 5-5
Raven 4-6
Scorpion 6-4
Shazam 6-4
Sinestro 3-7
Solomon Money 5-5
Superman 4-6
Wonder Woman 3.5-6.5
Zatanna 4-6
Zod 3.5-6.5


Hey look I made a MU chart because I'm hollywood. Tell me why I'm wrong.
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The Flash number is a little sketch. And WoWo doesn't feel that bad but maybe that's just me. And Batgirl being able to duck NW's normals in staff sucks.
 
OG Mannimal

OG Mannimal

OG "OG Mannimal" Mannimal
I really don't feel that Raven is so hard for NW to warrant a 4-6 raven favor. If you guys get the life lead, nothing is stopping you from turtling in staff with ground blast. I'm not saying I play the MU perfect, but I'll never know considering a certain NW player, who will go un-named, refuses to play me.
 
Chongo

Chongo

Dead Kings Rise
Shaazzyam said:
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The Flash number is a little sketch. And WoWo doesn't feel that bad but maybe that's just me. And Batgirl being able to duck NW's normals in staff sucks.
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Trust me, nw wins it.

Wowo is just a better nw, I used to think it was 5-5 but maaaaaaan she has so many options. I'll do writeups when I'm not on my phone.

I go back and forth between 5-5 and 6-4 babs everyday
 
Chongo

Chongo

Dead Kings Rise
OG Mannimal said:
I really don't feel that Raven is so hard for NW to warrant a 4-6 raven favor. If you guys get the life lead, nothing is stopping you from turtling in staff with ground blast. I'm not saying I play the MU perfect, but I'll never know considering a certain NW player, who will go un-named, refuses to play me.
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If I said it was 5-5 Ducky would crucify me lol.
 
Chongo

Chongo

Dead Kings Rise
OG Mannimal said:
so you do think it is 5-5 then? I think Raven might have a slight advantage, but I haven't played it enough to really say for sure. Lets play tomorrow?
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I think it's a close match but raven probably wins.

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