Killer Instinct: The Game That Is Hated For The Wrong Reasons

[Greenk4]

Man i love ki so much, can't wait for fulgore.
Ps. I wish ppl would look beyond how much characters are in the game, or how much u have to pay to get it. Now everyone wants atleast 30 characters, and in the end they still got bodied by ares after the game is out so long because they dont know the mu...
For me Quality>Quantity.

pps. Did you see fulgore teaser??!!omg!!

Yeah I hope they release him soonish, i'll then run to my friend's house and try him out...oh and Spinal, him too!

 

[GhosT]

Can you use a PS2 pad, for example? Are there any functional and reliable converters? I would not use the X-Box One pad to play this game competitively.

What are you talking about? Mortal Kombat 9 was always streamed. I know that VSM and Console Combat had record viewership because of MK9.

You Killer Instinct players are blinded by fanaticism. The game is clearly hurt by X-Box One's price. You need the console to play the game. If price were not an issue, more than 25 players would actually play the game at major tournaments.

No i got you. I agree 100% that its hurt BAD by being an xbox1 release. I stated that two or three times that not everyone is ready for, had the money for, or wanted an xb1.

I am not a pad player and use the microsoft pad, its not xbox 360 bad but its not ps2 good either. But seriously do you even know how to play a stick? If not that is a moot point. You can blame microsoft for this but not KI that is kind of unfair judgement.

So in a nutshell you basically agreed with me. You like me know that console hurt the game more than the game is hurting itself. Thats fair to me.

Last thing, IDK if your going to decide to try the game later down the road, ill let you know when a character you could achieve something with gets released. At this point that zoning life is not going to get anyone very far.

 

[GhosT]

Like I said, I enter it at tourneys but cannot play otherwise. My point was Sabrewulf is like Superman was, so it isnt really fair to compare the two games in that way.

I dont make those comparisons, people that do are no better than people shitting on KI who have not played.

Im not in this thread to tell someone why KI is better than injustice, here because a lot of ppl who have not even played the game have an opinion, yet have salt about people who played BOTH games having an opinion.

 

[M2Dave]

1. How many hundreds of dollars do you spend on plane-tickets/gas money/hotels to play Injustice? You're going to shell out a ton of money to play ANY game competitively.

The total cost for Kumite was about $400 for me.

At least I play a game that other people play too.

If Injustice only had 25 participants at major tournaments, I would not travel.

 

[ShadowBeatz]

The total cost for Kumite was about $400 for me.

At least I play a game that other people play too.

If Injustice only had 25 participants at major tournaments, I would not travel.

Fair enough, but have you played Killer Instinct before?

 

[M2Dave]

Fair enough, but have you played Killer Instinct before?

Yes, I have. I played Killer Instinct 1 and 2 when I was a scrub.

 

[NRF CharlieMurphy]

If [Insert Fighting Game] only had 25 participants at major tournaments, I would not travel.

This is the underlying problem in general

 

[GodsLonelyman]

Yes, I have. I played Killer Instinct 1 and 2

I think he was referring to the new one

 

[ShadowBeatz]

Yes, I have. I played Killer Instinct 1 and 2 when I was a scrub.

So you haven't played the new KI.... whether you have had the opportunity to play it is irrelevant, you have not played it.... annnnd you're judging it. Why?

I bet you're calling it a "demo" solely because Pig is too. Give it a try and think for yourself man. Jeez....

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

This is the underlying problem in general

What Do u mean

 

[FAT-BOY-28-SACK]

Lol people in the DOUBLE HELIX forums calling injustice a scrubby game most are known top players.Scrubb fest this scrubb fest that.Both are good games but ki is way more complex tho.

 

[PunkMafia83]

I've never seen a fighting game that was truly complete upon initial release. I think it's hard to realistically release a complete fighting game, in developing fighting games I feel that scope creep can easily take over and continually delay completion. Fortunately we live in a time where games can be fixed by update patches. Unfortunately that means companies can use that notion to their benefit to release an unfinished product. It's a matter of opinion as to which companies abuse this the most. Personally I don't feel like KI is abusing it as much as people make it sound. This is because they have yet to really make any false promises, they have been upfront and honest with what's available and what's coming. And their DLC is not of the type where all of the data is already on the disk and they are just strategically planning out releases for additional costs to their customers. Instead their DLC is new and what they have been actively developing. KI for their entire current roster, a great training mode and solid online is 20$. That's a fair price for what you currently get. Is it worth 60$+? Most def not.

Tekken 6 br was complete. Because it went through the arcades.

 

[M2Dave]

So you haven't played the new KI.... whether you have had the opportunity to play it is irrelevant, you have not played it.... annnnd you're judging it. Why?

I bet you're calling it a "demo" solely because Pig is too. Give it a try and think for yourself man. Jeez....

I am judging X-Box's price and explaining to you why the game has not been successful in tournaments.

As far as the game is concerned, I have talked to people who tested and wrote guides. They also claimed that the game is "unfinished".

 

[BanTheTesters]

Titanfall will also be on PC and X360 though - plus you don't have to pay a $200 stick to play the game comfortably.

I don't care much for KI's gameplay, but MS' release plan really really hurts the game.
With the very limited user base, very expensive upfront fee, as well as very limited content that pretty much ensures fewer and fewer adoption of the title, it's dead. It'll be lucky to even do SFxT numbers at this rate.


Only if MS pays them oodles amount.
KI's definitely not stream friendly (lack of people who know or play the game (both players and stream monsters), some issues with setting up XONE systems in tourneys (getting better though), and lack of major streaming time for KI currently.

It's the egg and chicken issue basically.

In the original post i noted that "if they went Xone, X360 and PC" i as saying this because i know/noted titainfall was coming to all those systems when i said "Like what they did with titainfall"...

Nonetheless my issue was just with the exclusivity of the title and fee of new console/stick was also an issue for me as well.

 

[NRF CharlieMurphy]

What Do u mean

mainly the sentiment of.... the game isn't big so i'm not going to travel and support.
Don't get me wrong, i'm a big part of this problem.

but if a game is good.... you should travel no matter the size. All it takes is a moment for people to realize a game is great and needs to be played.

Basically the sentiment of "Someone else will do most of the work, then i'll come in and try to reap the rewards"

That is the general mentality I see.

 

[ShadowBeatz]

I am judging X-Box's price and explaining to you why the game has not been successful in tournaments.

As far as the game is concerned, I have talked to people who tested and wrote guides. They also claimed that the game is "unfinished".

I know why tournament numbers are suffering. And yeah, the Xbox is pricey, I'm not arguing that either. But the game itself is brilliant, you completely dismissed it by calling it a "demo." You're judging the game without even playing it.

And again, I don't care who you've "talked" to. Play it yourself (even though, at this point, you've already convinced yourself that this game is bad and nothing is going to change your mind, which is a damn shame. It's not just you either....)

 

[TakeAChance]

Alright, I just finished reading.

There are 3 types of people in this thread.

1st type: The people who own, play, and like Killer Instinct.

2nd Type: The people who own, play/choose to not play, and like Killer Instinct, but are discouraged at tournament numbers.

3rd Type: The people who don't own/play Killer Instinct and are talking out of their ass/ popular opinion.

The fact of the matter is this: Killer Instinct is a fantastic game that works. It's system is absolutely amazing.

The other fact of the matter is: The tournament numbers suck balls right now.

In time those numbers will grow.

To those of you that are butt hurt about having to spend money on a new console to play it...I don't know what to tell you...don't play it?

If that's your decision (to not play because you cannot afford) would you please and I mean this respectfully, and without one ounce of hatred, please leave the thread and not bash the game. To do so is just ignorant.

To those of you that played it and hate the game, please feel free to voice your opinions.

@AK Pig Of The Hut Would you like to set aside some time to play the game? I am sure we can both learn some things.

 

[Zoidberg747]

I think thats because he is just extremely easy to use with good damage not because he is the best in the game you could pick him up and reck shit day 1.

That doesnt really matter though because like others have been saying, the game is young and he is a tough character to figure out.

He is also very easy to play, maybe not at a high level but at a semi-high level.

 

[Venom 88]

injustice 200 plus entrants = scrubs mb b3 for free combos and throwing shit at each other half these top players are just ppl that suked at other fighters and found a home in injustice save a scrub among us and will cry for nerfs wen they cant adapt instead of learning the game

KI 50 entrants = more compition than injustice with the best that capcom , marvel , and the few nrs players that have great reads and fundementals stream numbers go down wen injusice comes on ppl actually demand for ki stream time

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[Crathen]

The fact of the matter is this: Killer Instinct is a fantastic game that works. It's system is absolutely amazing.

The other fact of the matter is: The tournament numbers suck balls right now.

In time those numbers will grow.

If it "works" , why numbers are so small even in a country big as USA?If someone makes a thread and points out a reason that is possibly hurting the game he's "hating" / "trashing the game" , aren't some KI players too much on the defensive?

In time those numbers will grow... are we sure? The first few months is the time where a game should have the most entrants , no excuses , if KI players want it the tournament exposure then show up and build #.

And the whole argument about "wait for season 2/3" then start playing it if 6-8 characters seem too small for you" could be a talking point but in reality there was a game called Street Fighter X Tekken , first year some people had some gripes with the game and # were goin down in tournaments and then 2013 patch came out and everyone is now saying "this game is probably the best mechanic wise" but # weren't there anymore and it "died" at least in tournaments.

Just giving some feedback on the argument.

 

[ShadowBeatz]

injustice 200 plus entrants = scrubs mb b3 for free combos and throwing shit at each other half these top players are just ppl that suked at other fighters and found a home for in injustice save a scrub among us and will cry for nerfs wen they cant adapt instead of learning the game

KI 50 entrants = more compition than injustice with the best that capcom , marvel , and the few nrs players that have great reads and fundementals stream numbers go down wen injusice comes on ppl actually demand for ki stream time

God damn it Venom.... we don't need to open up the Injustice vs. KI can of worms again XD

 

[ShadowBeatz]

If it "works" , why numbers are so small even in a country big as USA?If someone makes a thread and points out a reason that is possibly hurting the game he's "hating" / "trashing the game" , aren't some KI players too much on the defensive?

In time those numbers will grow... are we sure? The first few months is the time where a game should have the most entrants , no excuses , if KI players want it the tournament exposure then show up and build #.

And the whole argument about "wait for season 2/3" then start playing it if 6-8 characters seem too small for you" could be a talking point but in reality there was a game called Street Fighter X Tekken , first year some people had some gripes with the game and # were goin down in tournaments and then 2013 patch came out and everyone is now saying "this game is probably the best mechanic wise" but # weren't there anymore and it "died" at least in tournaments.

Just giving some feedback on the argument.

As stated before, numbers are small because of accessibility (exclusive to an expensive console). Chance is referring to the fact that the game itself is really, really solid at it's fundamental core.

And the wait for season 2/3 argument is the argument because that's how it was advertised. I wish that wasn't the case, but we don't have a choice but to be patient, and I just hope that at least the TYM can do just that, because KI is worth it

(Side note: all of this talk about SF x T being really good now is making me want to give it a try lol)

 

[TakeAChance]

If it "works" , why numbers are so small even in a country big as USA?If someone makes a thread and points out a reason that is possibly hurting the game he's "hating" / "trashing the game" , aren't some KI players too much on the defensive?

In time those numbers will grow... are we sure? The first few months is the time where a game should have the most entrants , no excuses , if KI players want it the tournament exposure then show up and build #.

And the whole argument about "wait for season 2/3" then start playing it if 6-8 characters seem too small for you" could be a talking point but in reality there was a game called Street Fighter X Tekken , first year some people had some gripes with the game and # were goin down in tournaments and then 2013 patch came out and everyone is now saying "this game is probably the best mechanic wise" but # weren't there anymore and it "died" at least in tournaments.

Just giving some feedback on the argument.

Let me retort in a completely objective manner.

I am sure that in time those numbers will grow. Killer Instinct is a unique situation. There has NEVER been a situation where a fighting game of KI's calibur has been launched side by side with a console. As time goes on, more people will be getting Xbox 1's. That's just the reality of the situation. With Killer Instinct being a free game (with 1 character) that will entice more casuals to give the game a go. By the time most players get the system FOR killer instinct, odds are it will be an 8 character roster with full lobbies and an arcade mode. That's a substantial improvement.

I see your argument about the high amount of entrants at a games drop. However, due to this games very unique circumstances I could see KI follow a curve. Numbers will start low, and continue to grow until they peak and then taper back down. I believe KI's numbers will grow because more people will be buying the console including other FGC players. That is my belief and only time can prove those facts.

As far as the wait for season 2/3, keep in mind this is not MY argument (I did not make reference to this) you cannot compare it to SF X T. The reason being that SF X T was inherently broken on release. That game had bugs, stalls were rampant, and the gems were hard to balance properly/ hard to incorporate in tournament until the patch. When the 2013 patch landed the game actually did get rejuvenated at tournaments, but the player base did not stick around.

Killer instincts "System" or "core" if you will is very, VERY solid. There is nothing outright broken, albeit lots of cheap shit. The combo system is amazing, and it's just something very different yet familiar at the same time. The only truly broken aspects of the game so far were the unblockables and a couple little glitches that were patched out. The dev support is good, however players patience is very low. They have actually come outright and said no character is going to get tweaked for a while which is just amazing considering the top players can actually invest time into their characters without having them get hit with the nerf hammer.

So, yes. I do believe in time the game will grow in tournaments. To respond to your question "Why are numbers so small in the USA?" Well, the game is very young and the system is just as young. It will take time for the FGC, pros, and Casuals alike to get the system and truly explore the game.

 

[Venom 88]

God damn it Venom.... we don't need to open up the Injustice vs. KI can of worms again XD

haha only speak the truth man

 

[Crathen]

As stated before, numbers are small because of accessibility (exclusive to an expensive console). Chance is referring to the fact that the game itself is really, really solid at it's fundamental core.

And the wait for season 2/3 argument is the argument because that's how it was advertised. I wish that wasn't the case, but we don't have a choice but to be patient, and I just hope that at least the TYM can do just that, because KI is worth it

(Side note: all of this talk about SF x T being really good now is making me want to give it a try lol)

I don't think anyone brought up the "game is bad" talking point vs KI ( unlike some other player about Inj ) , countless times people said the gameplay is good.

Solid game doesn't mean it'll bring up # and we're talking about that here ( and btw anime players do like Inj meta more than SFIV ground game , people do not necessarely like what the SFIV best game ever religious propaganda wants to pass as "good" ) , season 2/3 argument is brought up because it's a legit issue that most people won't stick or pick up the game 2 years from now ( especially with the new FGs comin out GGXrd / USF4 ) and it's up to the offline KI community to show up NOW , support and expand the # of players playing the game instead of just repeating "just wait til season 2 to play if you think it doesn't have enough content / variety / functional modes" , realisticaly few people will still be there in 2 years w the drive to pick KI up.