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Batman Matchup Chart Discussion 2014

GGA Max

GGA Max

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FOREVER KING said:
Well that and yeah mostly I say Batcave because there aren't a ton of big interactables for Bane to throw at me lol. I know on Wayne Manor my little brother has setups for 100% combos with Bane
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He should post them man... But really Batman players never really get hit by interactibles because they're usually full screen from me throwing shit :rolleyes:... Maybe we're playing the MU differently.
 
Krayzie

Krayzie

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I think Batman beats Catwoman 6-4.

Also, HazeJupiter, I'd love to hear the approach you take against Batman. I was really upset both of your matches against FOREVER KING weren't recorded, or at least I couldn't find them.

Same to you, FOREVER KING. I'm trying to understand the MMH vs BM match-up a little better.
 
EMPEROR_JUPITER

EMPEROR_JUPITER

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Krayzie said:
I think Batman beats Catwoman 6-4.

Also, HazeJupiter, I'd love to hear the approach you take against Batman. I was really upset both of your matches against FOREVER KING weren't recorded, or at least I couldn't find them.

Same to you, FOREVER KING. I'm trying to understand the MMH vs BM match-up a little better.
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well some dude recorded our first set its on youtube channel is reythegreat 809, not sure where our other set was tho =(
 
RM Truth

RM Truth

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Krayzie said:
I think Batman beats Catwoman 6-4.

Also, HazeJupiter, I'd love to hear the approach you take against Batman. I was really upset both of your matches against FOREVER KING weren't recorded, or at least I couldn't find them.

Same to you, FOREVER KING. I'm trying to understand the MMH vs BM match-up a little better.
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His dash is fast enough that you can dash under the OH teleport. Not sure if on reaction or on read though. Also Batman with bats out means that the post OH teleport guessing game is always in your favor.
 
Krayzie

Krayzie

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coolwhip said:
That's interesting. He can't be brain dead with his zoning anymore due to MB Catdash and her Oki game is troublesome, especially with to his terrible wake-ups. Why do you think he beats her?
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Other than her oki game, he is never really unsafe or out of his comfort zone. He can meter burn all projectiles and take the advantage or punish any catdash. In most cases, I'd say that he is using meter, but she does as well. I don't think its a terrible match-up, but I do feel like his game against Catwoman is much safer than hers.

Basically, she has to knock him down, and play a guessing game when she gets her game going. Batman just lames her out, so there is not much risk going on, since meter burning bats means being safe, or using up that trait beats out 2 hits of armor.

She can win for sure though. She just has to be on point, and use everything in her arsenal to avoid certain projectiles with her low hitbox, correct jump whips, or anticipating jump 2 with jump 1, etc.
 
Big Pampering

Big Pampering

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Im surprised you put killer frost down as a 5-5, while batman was the one who got nerfed in the last patch and killer frost didnt. even prepatch people were saying killer frost won the matchup.
 
Crathen

Crathen

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Can't see how Batman - Deathstroke is nothing but even , zoning wise it's a tie and fulscreen batarangs can easily be countered with machine gun wich wins the trade by a good chunk of damage making sitting on a lifelead not a MU changing thing , upclose it's another tie as DS upclose game is scary for him , air control is even if not slightly DS advantage thanks to j1 / j3 / d2 , his trait helps him getting in but again pushblocking and d2 going under grounded bats mitigate Batmans ability to get in.

Also Batman getting knocked down - big problem as he can't get up and DS has good 50/50 and 33/33/33 mixups.
 
Mr Aquaman

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6-4 bats is correct here, im figuring out this MU better, ares does alot better when this mu is played very lamely. but bat pressure and mixups hurt ares, i havent played against king or arma extensively since the patch but the mu felt alot better when i utilize correct teles and zoning. I played a reaaaaaal long set with reno at NEC. King dodges me, and arma is too busy losing money to my boy Astronout.
 
Rodrigue

Rodrigue

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coolwhip said:
That's interesting. He can't be brain dead with his zoning anymore due to MB Catdash and her Oki game is troublesome, especially with to his terrible wake-ups. Why do you think he beats her?
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FOREVER KING batman catwoman 5-5? Please!
Batman is a rather easy character when you bump into random chumps maining him online.
However, this is not the case when you face someone who adapts quickly to your tactics and knows how to abuse his trait and batarangs, and has a powerful pressure game which is frustrating.
Batarangs can be evaded when catwoman is fullscreen unless they're meter burned or followed by the trait. If she blocks, you can rush her down.
ryumanjisen tell them how bad you beat me. It's either i suck, or batman is a really bad mu for cw lol.
coolwhip oki game? When i try to f112 you after a hard knockdown, you dash away. B12d3 has a low reach so you can back dash it as well. Batman's slide can't be stuffed but it is punishable on block. Catwoman's wake ups have no armor except the cat scratches (trait) which leaves the odds in your favor since I find myself out of scratches most of the time.
Now, you wanna have some midnight matches? Lol
 
Rodrigue

Rodrigue

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GGA 16 Bit said:
After 1,f+2 if you time f+1,1,2 and b+1,2,d+3 correctly Batman cannot backdash or jump out.
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I find myself using her whip a lot more than 1 f2 or 122 for knockdowns.
And her low whip is a nice tool to get up close to batman. But i still believe that it's a strong 6-4 in bats favor.
Oh and btw, bit, that "timing correctly" thing doesn't really apply when you run on a pathetic 100kbps connection LOL!
I'll be having some offline matches with coolwhip soon and we'll see how it goes. His batman is quite solid.
 
coolwhip

coolwhip

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Rodrigue said:
FOREVER KING batman catwoman 5-5? Please!
Batman is a rather easy character when you bump into random chumps maining him online.
However, this is not the case when you face someone who adapts quickly to your tactics and knows how to abuse his trait and batarangs, and has a powerful pressure game which is frustrating.
Batarangs can be evaded when catwoman is fullscreen unless they're meter burned or followed by the trait. If she blocks, you can rush her down.
ryumanjisen tell them how bad you beat me. It's either i suck, or batman is a really bad mu for cw lol.
coolwhip oki game? When i try to f112 you after a hard knockdown, you dash away. B12d3 has a low reach so you can back dash it as well. Batman's slide can't be stuffed but it is punishable on block. Catwoman's wake ups have no armor except the cat scratches (trait) which leaves the odds in your favor since I find myself out of scratches most of the time.
Now, you wanna have some midnight matches? Lol
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Batman's slide can be stuffed. Generally, Batman doesn't want to rush Catwoman down. He wants to lame her out. I also don't think a guy beating you with Batman means the match-up is horrible. It can be that he's just better or you don't adapt well to him. You're not really going to judge the match-up due to laggy online matches.

By the way, Batman's backdash has a crap ton of recovery, and he shouldn't be able to dash away from F1 after a hard knockdown unless you mistime your F1. He MAY be able to do it if you finish your combo with straight whip since that leaves him some space but if you dash forward and F1 in time, you'll catch him. And yeah, Catwoman's wake-up game is pretty poor, I never debated that.

And her OKI game IS sick, especially against Batman. Maybe it's 6-4 Batman, but it's pretty winnable and nowhere near as hard as you make it out to be.
 
16 Bit

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Rodrigue said:
I find myself using her whip a lot more than 1 f2 or 122 for knockdowns.
And her low whip is a nice tool to get up close to batman. But i still believe that it's a strong 6-4 in bats favor.
Oh and btw, bit, that "timing correctly" thing doesn't really apply when you run on a pathetic 100kbps connection LOL!
I'll be having some offline matches with coolwhip soon and we'll see how it goes. His batman is quite solid.
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I only use straight whip as an ender for maximum damage. 1,f+2 and 1,2,2 are better because you have more time to dash up and do your thing.

If you end in 1,f+2 and dash up then do her 50/50 I doubt any character can jump or backdash out. If timed correctly they can't even get in the air. It's tight.
 
RunwayMafia

RunwayMafia

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Rude said:
I think the problem with HG, from my experience playing Espio and @RunwayMafia's Hawkgirls is that if she DOES get in, she has very good pressure that leaves her at + or neutral, and has strings/pokes that reach further than Batman's. He can use trait defensively for this purpose, but Hawkgirl up close is a monster.
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FOREVER KING I can't speak for the other HawkGirl representatives, but I def. think it's even. Her D1 plays a large role in this MU and his trait can be avoided while she is in the air.
 
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