Match-up Discussion Shazams true Match up Chart.

[MashPotatoTower]

Where do you think he stands?

Shazam top 5.
but seriously he looses like 4 mu 6-4 and wins a few. hes hella ella olls fur realz

 

[MashPotatoTower]

lbsh we downplay shazam. Why cant Shazam be top 10?

 

[Qwark28]

I think what you need for a good MU chart is a good shazam like reo/wonderchef, im seeing some 7-3s mentioned in here that joker deals with just fine while having less overall tools than shazam

 

[ZigZag]

I think what you need for a good MU chart is a good shazam like reo/wonderchef, im seeing some 7-3s mentioned in here that joker deals with just fine while having less overall tools than shazam

The joker has some setups that in some or alot of MU's though work better than what Shazam has.
Also I don't want to put Wonder Chef on blast I like the guy, BUUUUT in fairness I hardly see him digging up Shazam so you know people like Reo are cool as far as I know he plays him quite often still.

 

[Qwark28]

The joker has some setups that in some or alot of MU's though work better than what Shazam has.
Also I don't want to put Wonder Chef on blast I like the guy, BUUUUT in fairness I hardly see him digging up Shazam so you know people like Reo are cool as far as I know he plays him quite often still.

noone in this community knows the joker MU like us jokers, noone even knows the frame data of his teeth cancels.

i just wish i had a 50/50 with crossup torpedo or command grab/torpedo every time i touched someone

 

[Ermaculate_Slim]

Played Blind_Man about 20 games on psn before Id say Shazam vs Raven is 5-5 at worst 6-4 raven it was pretty much back and forth.But Shazam has to work his ass off.

 

[ZigZag]

noone in this community knows the joker MU like us jokers, noone even knows the frame data of his teeth cancels.

i just wish i had a 50/50 with crossup torpedo or command grab/torpedo every time i touched someone

Well I wish we had longer range normals, A normal range B3, I want 22 to be safe on block.

That would finally fix shazam and make him amongst the other mid tiers, but ehhh he's not too far behind them now but seriously Shazams B3 is broke... if you HM in the corner and do B3 it whiffs like 99% of the time...

 

[ZigZag]

Played Blind_Man about 20 games on psn before Id say Shazam vs Raven is 5-5 at worst 6-4 raven it was pretty much back and forth.But Shazam has to work his ass off.

Blind man came in telling us how it's definitely 4-6, I played some more games with people who knew raven better, not to their best but better than ranked you know?

And I can see it being 4-6 to shazam, Raven definitely has a slight lead, it's still winnable but it's difficult, but you could break even if you worked hard enough yeah, but I think 4-6 Shazam is about right.

 

[juicepouch]

So how in the world do I fight Catwoman? It seems like she's just faster than Shazam with normals up close and I can't keep her off of me. Anybody have any tips?

 

[ZigZag]

So how in the world do I fight Catwoman? It seems like she's just faster than Shazam with normals up close and I can't keep her off of me. Anybody have any tips?

Space her out, Torpedo to punish dashes, (Not cat dashes but regular ones) and just throw bolts let her get desperate and play stupidly.

 

[juicepouch]

Space her out, Torpedo to punish dashes, (Not cat dashes but regular ones) and just throw bolts let her get desperate and play stupidly.

Thanks man. It figures this would be the plan, I'm horrible when it comes to playing patiently

 

[ZigZag]

Thanks man. It figures this would be the plan, I'm horrible when it comes to playing patiently

Yeah shazam seems like he's all rushdown but in quite a few matchups you can actually be patient play a spacing game and let them come at you, just teleport away from catwoman and throw projectiles, if she jumps in torpedo range take that chance to torpedo the shit out of her.

Also by throwing projectiles you can condition her to go low more often setting you up for B23 at the right distance, not sure how D3 works against a blocked cat dash but you may get some chances to knock her down and do cross over j2 into combo.

 

[Under_The_Mayo]

Why do people ALWAYS make mu numbers with Raven after playing discount Ravens? That mu is not 5-5.

Did you see Ra Helios listing catwoman raven as 6 4 catwoman? lol

 

[Blind_Ducky]

Played Blind_Man about 20 games on psn before Id say Shazam vs Raven is 5-5 at worst 6-4 raven it was pretty much back and forth.But Shazam has to work his ass off.

Online. Reflecting shit is impossible, punishing teleports with soul crush on reaction every time is also impossible. The mu is definitely 6-4 Raven.

 

[Blind_Ducky]

Did you see Ra Helios listing catwoman raven as 6 4 catwoman? lol

Yes and he's an idiot lol.

 

[EGP Wonder_Chef]

The joker has some setups that in some or alot of MU's though work better than what Shazam has.
Also I don't want to put Wonder Chef on blast I like the guy, BUUUUT in fairness I hardly see him digging up Shazam so you know people like Reo are cool as far as I know he plays him quite often still.

I still play Shazam all the time. I use him in tournaments just as much as Reo does =)

 

[ZigZag]

I still play Shazam all the time. I use him in tournaments just as much as Reo does =)

Really?
I never ever see you using him :O
Though I haven't caught alot of or any of your tournament play.

 

[EGP Wonder_Chef]

Really?
I never ever see you using him :O
Though I haven't caught alot of or any of your tournament play.

well the joke is neither of us use him in tournament

 

[ZigZag]

well the joke is neither of us use him in tournament

I've gotta catch some play from you guys sometime then, I've honestly never seen Reo play

 

[Indecisive]

I've gotta catch some play from you guys sometime then, I've honestly never seen Reo play

Sadly Reo retired from Injustice if memory serves

 

[ZigZag]

Sadly Reo retired from Injustice if memory serves

Oh so in theory I just had things the wrong way round lol

 

[@MylesWright_]

Shazam does not lose 3-7 to killer frost, the hypocrisy
Shazam out damages her whilst taking less risks and limiting her already bad zoning by being able to punish iceberg with torpedo at select ranges

 

[Indecisive]

Shazam does not lose 3-7 to killer frost, the hypocrisy
Shazam out damages her whilst taking less risks and limiting her already bad zoning by being able to punish iceberg with torpedo at select ranges

I consider Shazam V Frost a 6-4 Frost. Or even a 5-5 maybe. Have yet to play a good Killer Frost yet.

 

[ZigZag]

Shazam does not lose 3-7 to killer frost, the hypocrisy
Shazam out damages her whilst taking less risks and limiting her already bad zoning by being able to punish iceberg with torpedo at select ranges

What? Frost has a safe slide... Risks WHAT RISKS?

 

[@MylesWright_]

What? Frost has a safe slide... Risks WHAT RISKS?

what risk does shazam take having a safe (90% of the time) torpedo that forces the opponent into ridiculous knockdown setups and having 50/50 command grab setups which are more a 75/25 when he can torpedo out of them and be safe.