Tournaments Should be 3/5?

[PLAYING TO WIN]

This is a conversation that I hope to have constructively.

Why?
1) the life bar system. One of the strongest tools in this game is the life bar... once you develop a life lead it is extremely hard to come back. There are several characters with incredible come back factors (frost, batgirl...) but most do not. Matches are extremely fast. Note, I do not beleive this would have changed the results of any of my tournament loses. WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT, INJUSTICE IS ONE GIANT ROUND.. NOT 3 LIKE MK9 OR AE.
2) let the stronger player advance. tournaments are made they way they are because they allow for upsets and people to prove themselves. similar to mvc, injustice does have a random factor d/t the life bar system.
3) it may encourage more people to come to tournaments for a game that is already thriving. along with casual games, prospective tournament players would get more tournament games and more experience.
4) the game has the ability to be extremely fast, similar to MVC, and matches can be over very fast.

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FOREVER KING
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WoundCowboy
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AK Smarrgasm
Mike metriod and his brother
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THTB
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Rico Suave
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@krazie bone

 

[Cossner]

Shouldn't this be decided by the TOs depending on bracket sizes, stream time, time available with the equipment/space?

 

[RM Truth]

This has been discussed multiple times, but you are right. 3/5 should be the tourney standard.


EDIT: Cossner does have a point though. Smaller tournaments that start later in the day should stick to 2/3 to facilitate an early ending.

 

[PLAYING TO WIN]

Shouldn't this be decided by the TOs depending on bracket sizes, stream time, time available with the equipment/space?

well... the mvc community decided their game should be 3/5 and thats what they do. tekken says 3/5 and the players enforce it. if the inj community decides it... it will be done. the game is fast. compare a set of 3/5 of tekken and the time it takes to complete an inj set.

 

[godlessmode]

I strongly support this. TOs need to plan their tournaments around the game settings, not change the game settings around their tournament.

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

3/5 = best player wins

2/3 = possibly most gimmicky player won

 

[PLAYING TO WIN]

what is bones name?

 

[A F0xy Grampa]

Always preferred 3/5 tbh.
People might say that 2/3 allows more gimmicks to win. But if you lose to gimmicks, thats your own fault, do your homework/adapt.

 

[Bildslash]

Even colt has stated several times it was made with 3/5 in mind.

 

[PLAYING TO WIN]

Even colt has stated several times it was made with 3/5 in mind.

yoooo colt ????? really? i would bet because of the round system right? it is not flawed, i just think it warrants a longer set

 

[ApocaLips]

EVERY community is going to argue that their game should be 3/5. It ultimately has little to do with whether the game is conducive to 2/3 and everything to do with efficiently running tournaments.

 

[RagingNight]

3/5 in tekken is because its the natural setting when you play tekken in the arcades or just put the disc in.

3/5 in marvel because the game is played faster than any other fighting game out there. 3/5 is essentially 2/3 in any other game.

edit
Darkstalker is 2/3 with the same system as injustice lifebars.

 

[16 Bit]

We tried it at GGA and it added too much time. The week had many 3-0 sets and it still ended like a hour later than the other weeks have. I don't care much either way, but time is an issue.

 

[NB Semi Evil Ryu]

If the duration of the tournament is not of concern to the tournament organizer, 3/5 is the way to go (in my opinion).

 

[WannabePlayer]

I thought it was already 3/5. That's how NorCal runs their standard locals.

 

[THTB]

Considering a lot of tournaments struggle to run on time as is, 3/5 for most events is just not feasible.

Also, thus far, I haven't seen really any tournament where the top placers got there through gimmicky play, whether it's 2/3 or 3/5.

Developers can say they intended for their games to be played a certain way, but that intent can only go so far before the players come up with shit to dictate how the game actually is played.

 

[SonicFox5000]

I agree, 3/5

 

[Smarrgasm]

3/5 is better but it does add a significant time factor to any tournament. We have run both formats many times at AKA and if we do 3/5 we usually end incredibly late and almost no one is left in the room so there is no hype and many stream monsters have also tuned out.

For TO's i think there concern was trying to fit and find this extra time when so much more is going on than just our game. Its always up to the people in control of the tournament first. They are the ones with the job to do and its not easy to control and cater to every player and time frame.

 

[RONALD ROGAN]

I think that time restraints call for a LOT of issues from TOs. 2/3 for pools and 3/5 for everything after that, including final match of your pool--top 16, top 8, whatever the breakdown is.

 

[Zoidberg747]

If time permits I prefer 3/5, but the last local I went to that ran 3/5 took a really long time and most people lost interest and just left.

For majors I think 3/5 should try to be implemented, but for locals I think it really depends on the TO.

Also, saying that 2/3 promotes gimmicky play is total bullshit. If you lose to gimmicks that is your own fault, and you probably would have lost to them in a 3/5 set as well.

 

[RONALD ROGAN]

If time permits I prefer 3/5, but the last local I went to that ran 3/5 took a really long time and most people lost interest and just left.

For majors I think 3/5 should try to be implemented, but for locals I think it really depends on the TO.

Also, saying that 2/3 promotes gimmicky play is total bullshit. If you lose to gimmicks that is your own fault, and you probably would have lost to them in a 3/5 set as well.

Not necessarily. I've played people in a FT5 many times where I lose the first 2 rounds free, then realize--OH THAT'S WHAT HE'S DOING and pulled out 5 straight.

But yeah, to an extent, it's hard to over-power a good player.

 

[deathblooms2k4]

We tried it at GGA and it added too much time. The week had many 3-0 sets and it still ended like a hour later than the other weeks have. I don't care much either way, but time is an issue.

This kind of speaks volumes. Perhaps there is a happy medium. Maybe 3/5 rounds start earlier than finals. The important factor to consider here is in order for the community to grow there has got to be hype. If tournaments drag on too long that hype goes away and you have grand finals with very few spectators.

 

[Hitbox_Godspeed]

I support this, 3/5.

 

[Mikemetroid]

Mike metriod and his brother

close but no cigar

Uhm, The issue is time IMO. TFC was near perfect because we had minimal problems. The brackets were pre-made and the only major problem was that some guys were matched up with their own teammates because they didn't pre-reg. Oh and TRASH OF TYM didn't get seeded or something.

3/5 Is good and all but its like if something goes wrong like a power outage or like something that can delay a tournament I'd be seriously worried.

However, RapZiLLa54 and SwiftTomHanks run round robin tournaments that are 3/5 and they move along pretty quickly, which is why I'm so for 3/5.

 

[pherleece]

This topic has been brought up many many times before and due to time restrictions it will not happen. The only way this may be possible is if TOs end registration a few hours earlier but they won't do that cause they want as many registrants as possible.