Question Why Is Zatanna Bottom 2?

[Zoidberg747]

I havent played a Zatanna since her release. I can't really speak on how good she is but to me she is a setup character that can easily get in your head. Even though most setup characters are not top tier most can hold their own in most MUs, and I would GUESS that Zatanna is the same way.

 

[Peckapowa]

she has everything but good footsies... but she is so all over the place she might not need...

if some1 puts the time in, and really thinks it through this character could be a hidden gem.. i'd worried about her fundamentals but she might be good enough elsewere to make up for it, epseically since she has a dive kick

she has decent mixups, amplified by the fact that she has a vortex and can reverse your controls

its a tremendous risk to zone her when she has meter

her teleport can be mixed up, her mb version is excessively fast in duration, her tp is fast enough to be relevant and to run away and play mind games with

she has aerial oki, you can bait anti-airs with the float, and then divekick to punish for full combo... she can also teleport backwards to remain, or behind you, and quickly with meter if she's baiting an out of ground special

she can play a little mindgames with that goddamn 3 headed shit

her fball mb can be used to set up hat stance and begin free chip (easier said then done i suppose)

her mb teleport can be mixed into her pressure i'm certain

I'm wonder if her MB projectile grants enough advantage for a teleport at full screen... might not because it might stop when the hat hits

she's REALLY interesting, i wihs more characters had as many interesting tools as her, however, she might lose out to characters with fast long reaching anti-air hitbox normals and good mobilility and counter-zoning like black adam mmh and supes

 

[Lt. Boxy Angelman]

Let me tell you, this is far from being MK-exclusive. I've seen lots of people in other communities and other games get worked up over tier lists, when in reality they may actually be rather tight. As it stands, Injustice effectively has a sliver of the game that's top tier, only two characters that really comprise the bottom tier, with everyone else squished in the middle.

Who knows? Zatanna might well be a "bottom 10" character, but that doesn't mean she's worthless. She's still yet very untested, like pretty much all the DLC charcters minus Batgirl. Almost every character in this game is very competitive, and the thing that holds a lot of people in mid-tier is their random handful of shitty matchups. Even after the October 1 patch, the top tier is more defined by their completeness and efficacy across all of their matches, rather than how hard they might blow out other members of the cast.

You...you fucking get it <3.

Honestly, I'm glad it's Mr. Mil who's the focus of this debate.
Because it was guys like him, DanCock, RunwayMafia, Delriach and the like who took Sindel, who everyone thought was so. fucking. awful. and turned her into a respected killing machine, in spite of her place in the grand scheme. And I'm really hoping the same happens for Zatanna. I have yet to own her due to various horrible reasons, but I'm WAY more interested in her than I am in MMH, and I'm really looking forward to the day I get to over-complicate my IGAU life with her presence.

Fuck tiers. Fuck viability. Fuck the Kingsguard. Fuck the kingdom. Fuck the king.

Zatanna deserves more attention before she gets left behind.

 

[Kempffer]

Zatanna is "bottom 2" because 99% of the TYM community is missing one, or has an extra chromosome.

 

[Mr. Mileena]

Look, I'm going to be honest.
I don't think Zatanna is bottom 2, I just say it because she is a HARD character to play as.
It doesn't mean I will drop her.


I think the best thing to do with Zatanna is not give her a placement for now.
Not high mid, or low.

She has ex teleport, which noone really uses it as it should, it's an extremely difficult tool to understand and adapt when to use it.
This character has issues, but this character also has tools no other character has.

I'm gonna stop "complaining" about her.
I never thought she was bottom 2, but moreso low or mid low tier.

She is a hard character to play as, and I stuck by Sindel, I will stick by Zatanna, even if i suck

 

[THTB]

U thought Zod was bad?

Not nearly. I mean, Zod-GL is annoying with any sort of distance...but that ain't got nothing on Zatanna...judging from what I saw there.

 

[Mr. Mileena]

she has everything but good footsies... but she is so all over the place she might not need...

if some1 puts the time in, and really thinks it through this character could be a hidden gem.. i'd worried about her fundamentals but she might be good enough elsewere to make up for it, epseically since she has a dive kick

she has decent mixups, amplified by the fact that she has a vortex and can reverse your controls

its a tremendous risk to zone her when she has meter

her teleport can be mixed up, her mb version is excessively fast in duration, her tp is fast enough to be relevant and to run away and play mind games with

she has aerial oki, you can bait anti-airs with the float, and then divekick to punish for full combo... she can also teleport backwards to remain, or behind you, and quickly with meter if she's baiting an out of ground special

she can play a little mindgames with that goddamn 3 headed shit

her fball mb can be used to set up hat stance and begin free chip (easier said then done i suppose)

her mb teleport can be mixed into her pressure i'm certain

I'm wonder if her MB projectile grants enough advantage for a teleport at full screen... might not because it might stop when the hat hits

she's REALLY interesting, i wihs more characters had as many interesting tools as her, however, she might lose out to characters with fast long reaching anti-air hitbox normals and good mobilility and counter-zoning like black adam mmh and supes

I tested it a while back, as I was very curious too. She is +, but her teleport is 28 or 20 some frames, it reduces the recovery a lot, so i'd say shes a little negative. EX projectile into EX teleport , now she is def + on that, but that's 2 bars of meter, yet she builds meter very fast.

 

[Grave__Intent]

Blindman just won a turny with Raven so I don't see why she's on the list at all!

 

[Lt. Boxy Angelman]

Look, I'm going to be honest.
I don't think Zatanna is bottom 2, I just say it because she is a HARD character to play as.
It doesn't mean I will drop her.


I think the best thing to do with Zatanna is not give her a placement for now.
Not high mid, or low.

She has ex teleport, which noone really uses it as it should, it's an extremely difficult tool to understand and adapt when to use it.
This character has issues, but this character also has tools no other character has.

I'm gonna stop "complaining" about her.
I never thought she was bottom 2, but moreso low or mid low tier.

She is a hard character to play as, and I stuck by Sindel, I will stick by Zatanna, even if i suck

I <3 you, JoeJoe .

#FaithInMagic.

 

[Orochi]

Not nearly. I mean, Zod-GL is annoying with any sort of distance...but that ain't got nothing on Zatanna...judging from what I saw there.

Yeah Zatanna is the most annoying Zoner, anti-zoner I had to catch in a while if you don't know the matchup with GL you are going to get destroyed by Deg, and I say Deg because I don't think any other Zatanna player has reached that level, hence why I never bothered with the MU and thank god because she's ridiculous.

Looking back I've learnt a couple of things on how to deal with her because it's always good to know how to deal with characters like that, you never know when you're going to meet a tourney Zatanna player (I really hope deg goes to NEC). I've learnt things like how to deal with her teleport, her zoning, her little pressure she has, her tricks and so on. It's all about applying this now in game but I believe if Deg and I played again I'd do MUCH better. Still a losing MU for GL thou.

And yes Zatanna is underrated but I understand it's tough to learn her, I picked her up for fun when she was released and got bodied by a level 1 flash.

 

[Saboteur-6]

Yeah I can understand why she's not getting picked up by a lot of tourney players. She's technically the newest character released, has a really high difficulty curve to master, and isn't straightforward at all. Still it's nice to see some one like deg try and evolve her, pimpimjim is good with her too but he has like 5 other character in his pocket as well. I think Z is going to need a specialist who wants to grind out her MU's.

 

[16 Bit]

Can we stop pretending PPJ doesn't exist and hasn't been putting in work with her since she came out?

 

[Saboteur-6]

Can we stop pretending PPJ doesn't exist and hasn't been putting in work with her since she came out?

PPJ is awesome with her, he's just not a vocal forum presence which is where a lot of the "downplaying" happens. You know more than anybody though that PPJ plays several characters and I'm saying that's why it seems like Z has no consistent top-level representation. I mean sure, there might be some dude in Milwaukee grinding out MU's daily in his mom's basement yelling "Do you believe in magic yet!?!" in fishnets and a tophat but we just haven't seen that transition into tourney play or forum leaders.

 

[Mr. Mileena]

Can we stop pretending PPJ doesn't exist and hasn't been putting in work with her since she came out?

PPJ likes to teleport out of the camera when he loses. In a blink of an eye, he vanishes from the stream video.

 

[its_ezie]

She's not. All zatanna mains are just downplayers/salty that her starters are slower than average

that and the recovery on her teleport is pretty bad

 

[Mighty Durpyena]

that and the recovery on her teleport is pretty bad

That's why we have MB Teleport.

 

[EMPEROR PRYCE]

Zatanna definitely isn't bottom 2, nowhere near it. My second main is zatanna and in these past weeks I've been puttin a lot of time into her. She's a difficult character to grasp as she has shitty strings, but if u know how to utilize them shes a deadly weapon.

I think the demand of this character was too high and didn't reach the expectations. People wanted zatanna to be OP as fuck and just retardedly good, when they got the product that is now, they were disappointed and started labeling her.

Shes a character that demands patience and dedication, otherwise u will never unlock her full potential. Plus a character that can frame trap u into a 50/50 vortex has to be good right? Lmao

 

[DarkPage]

No character is really that bad in this game. And zatanna is like way more complicated in comparison to every other character, and its gonna take a lot more time for people to get to a higher level with her because they level needed to master her is higher, then say someone like Green Lantern, or Doomsday, its just gonna take a minute cause shes honestly probably the deepest character in the game. She might end up being bottom 5 in the end, but then again thats really not too bad in this game.

 

[kevkopdx]

Yeah I can understand why she's not getting picked up by a lot of tourney players. She's technically the newest character released, has a really high difficulty curve to master, and isn't straightforward at all. Still it's nice to see some one like deg try and evolve her, pimpimjim is good with her too but he has like 5 other character in his pocket as well. I think Z is going to need a specialist who wants to grind out her MU's.

"high difficulty and isnt straightforward" is the best description of her! She is definitely not straightforward... I love the complexity of her, she has so many tools and it really takes a LONG time to even begin to understand how and what to use in every single match up... you really have to earn wins with her... lots of layers to unwrap with her yet

 

[RYX]

that and the recovery on her teleport is pretty bad

what's the - frames on recovery

 

[NoobHunter420]

Doomsday and raven low tier.....WTF!!!!!!!!!!
doomsday is the best rush down character in the game.
the only thing keeping raven from top 3 is the fact that she's not a power character.
Zatanna is a good character, there is a huge difference between low tiers and execution heavy characters.
remember when zod was mediocre?

 

[Lord Hollow]

So how many 'bad' characters are actually just under used and under explored? More and more it seems like bad characters just have shit players.

This is beyond true.

 

[Mr. Mileena]

This thread should just be closed.
This character is soooooooo good, and I think she's only gonna be getting better.

Zatanna is fighting for top 10 and i bet she will make it in in the future

 

[Scoot Magee]

because our community for injustice is small and spread out.

 

[EMPRESS_SunFire]

Lol yes, this should get closed... She is hard to win with, that's all. We just needed to figure her out. She is top 15 imo