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Match-up Discussion Shazams true Match up Chart.

Doombawkz

Trust me, I'm a doctor
about has real as his connection to me
It runs off of the same principle as the video I showed you yesterday, the 50/50? Only difference is his grab is faster so he can just do that and combo off of it while we can't :(
 

Indecisive

We'll burn you all—that is your fate!
From my experiences in playing shazam i would say a lot of the MU's you posted are somewhat incorrect. I'll comment on the Matches i have played a lot but as for the ones i dont know its not my right to say anything about but i will say how i feel about it based on a few ideas

Bane: I have no idea how this goes. I would think Teleport helps somewhat. But need Experience.

Hawkgirl: 5-5 Maybe. This MU i found to be weird considering She has moves to put her in the air so she cannot be command Grabbed. From playing i had to be very patient since i still don't fully understand the MU. Maybe 6-4 Hawkgirl.

Lex Luthor- I actually got to play Revolver and i have to say i had no idea what the fuck was going on. The Teleports did help to deal with the traps but the issue is when Lex Armors up. I asked Revolver what he thought of the MU and he said you need to have good Spacing if memory serves. But i would say 6-4 Lex

Cyborg- I have no idea. I would just teleport through fire balls until i realize it doesnt work and then hope to think of something else

Lobo- Have no idea or comments.

Flash- Have no idea or comments except flash probably wins

Grundy- Need more grundy play to be sure with how this goes.

Green lantern- Begins match and realizes how much of a pain it is to deal with Minigun and other zoning tools. Waking up teleport could be bad since they have lift. Can punish AT with Lift probably. 7-3 Green Lantern. Hate this MU

Harley- Played against Ramon's Harley and a few others. Hate dealing with the zoning. Couldnt think of a way around it since it was so fast. Definitely in Harleys favor but dont know how much.

Joker-No idea of Comments

Catwomen- No idea really. Teleports on wakeup might get blown up by catdash. Have to test that actually

Ares- No Idea. No Comment

DeathStroke- This match i have way too much experience with. I would say its a 6-4 Deathstroke. His zoning may not be the best in the game but it is enough to hold Shazam back. You need to play this MU Very patiently or else you are going to lose horribly. The teleports help you get out of DS shitty vortex(Comparing it to other characters vortex) And you actually are able to teleport through not MB Gun shots if you time it perfectly. Shazam has J2 to contend with DS J3. SilentJay probably has more to say about this MU since this is my first time really discussing my MU opinions for the most part

Batman- Before the Patch Batman Won this with his trait and throwing Batarangs. But now its somewhat easier to get in. The fact that Batman has a shit wakeup means you are able to get him with multiple command grabs which is helpful for Shazam. But when Batman has trait you still need to be careful with your teleports since he can blow you up with the trait. I still need to play against DarthArma more to decide a number but i figured i would leave a comment

Superman- This MU was interesting Before the Patch but now after the Patch Shazam has options and doesnt get destroyed by f23. The fact that his command grab has longer reach helps as well. The only issue is when Superman gets you in the corner you still have a problem. But i just found out D2 should get you out of f23 Hell. I still need to play KDZ and Frantastic more before i have a set number but i will say if i had to guess 6-4 Superman

Nightwing- No Idea. No Comment

Green Arrow- I got to Play Against 7L. I never felt so helpless before in my life. Basically the backshot ruins your day and makes you hate life. Green arrows favor for sure just dont have a set number. Still need a bit more experience before i 100% decide to pick a different character for this MU

Raven- I have never played a good raven player so i have no idea. I want to say raven wins this though. Ask Blind Ducky if you want to know the MU

Wonder Women- No Idea. In Wonder Womans Favor probably

Aquaman- Yet to play a good Aquaman. Although i like this MU since this is one of the few MU where i get over cocky and just go in and not care.

Black Adam- No idea. Fuck Black Adam

Doomsday- No idea. Fuck his Trait

Killer Frost- Need to play better Killer Frost players. Would say its in her favor though.

Sinestro- No Idea. Don't fear him yet though

Batgirl- No Idea. Had to hold KDZ's Stick a lot though -_-

Scorpion- Hes a character in this game?

General Zod- No Idea. Still want to see Pig's Zod in action

Zatanna- No idea. No comment

Martian man Hunter. No Idea. Have some secret tech to deal with him though :p

If anyone has any comments just go for it. The few numbers i did post a probably wrong but i figured i should put some input in the Shazam boards.
 

ZigZag

That Welsh Guy
When was Aquaman not a threat? Again.. you scored the MU even, I'm asking why you have it at 5-5
Well if you're not going to answer my question I'll lead.... His B12 string can be punished by D1 linked into HM, His db2 is incredibly negative and if thrown out from nutrel that's like a free torpedo.

His zoning game isn't strong enough to stop shazam from getting in, AM has the trait which is really useful but it doesn't help against a chunky Command grab.
Though Aquaman does have a heck of alot range which Shazam doesn't, but I rest my case a fair amount of his strings can be punished by one thing or another.
 
lol at people thinking their the "best" Raven or Best "frost" lol
their is no best character like brady said their is only a style of a character
if m2dave destroyed your frost and lost to someone elses frost bad does that mean your bad and hes the best ? umm no just means he plays difrently so please stop with this play me first garbage .
 

SaJa

FH_FenriR
Well if you're not going to answer my question I'll lead.... His B12 string can be punished by D1 linked into HM, His db2 is incredibly negative and if thrown out from nutrel that's like a free torpedo.

His zoning game isn't strong enough to stop shazam from getting in, AM has the trait which is really useful but it doesn't help against a chunky Command grab.
Though Aquaman does have a heck of alot range which Shazam doesn't, but I rest my case a fair amount of his strings can be punished by one thing or another.

Aquaman's trait is useless against Shazam, but I really think Shazam has trouble against Aquaman's zoning. Also, Aquaman has better normals than Shazam.
 

Pig Of The Hut

Day 0 Phenomenal Dr. Fate and Darkseid player
I'll change it to AK GGA C88 Pig of the Reo Hut/Brady.

Then people will listen, Clearly because I'm outside the US and i'm not on every stream my knowledge of the Character I've spent tonnes of time on since release clearly is wrong haha!
OH TYM sometimes you get crazy.
No

You're getting the response you're getting because you have zero credibility and furthermore your numbers are atrocious.

Also I'm sorry but posting MU charts w phrases like "I have no idea about this MU" is not ever a good thing
 

RYX

BIG PUSHER
It runs off of the same principle as the video I showed you yesterday, the 50/50? Only difference is his grab is faster so he can just do that and combo off of it while we can't :(
I'll have to go find that video then haha. I think I know which one ;)
 

ZigZag

That Welsh Guy
Aquaman's trait is useless against Shazam, but I really think Shazam has trouble against Aquaman's zoning. Also, Aquaman has better normals than Shazam.
I've never seen his trait come in handy in any matches i've played, His zoning game is way too predictable, His db2 is really negative giving you a free dash and time for a toilet break lol.
 

ZigZag

That Welsh Guy
No

You're getting the response you're getting because you have zero credibility and furthermore your numbers are atrocious.

Also I'm sorry but posting MU charts w phrases like "I have no idea about this MU" is not ever a good thing
I'm posting a thread to create the "True Match up chart" as It seems I'm the only one who has ever attempted to do this with Shazam, I made one way way way Back and now I want to start this over, Pig You just enjoy antagonising grow up, You're not disrupting other peoples good efforts here, You're just bad. (to clarify by bad I don't mean at the game incase you took it that way).
 

Shawi

Apprentice
I'm posting a thread to create the "True Match up chart" as It seems I'm the only one who has ever attempted to do this with Shazam, I made one way way way Back and now I want to start this over, Pig You just enjoy antagonising grow up, You're not disrupting other peoples good efforts here, You're just bad.
No, he plays Zod, he always wins *that's the last of the sarcastic bitch fighting XD*
 

Pig Of The Hut

Day 0 Phenomenal Dr. Fate and Darkseid player
Okay Pig, I'm sure you know all about Shazam because you spent so much time playing him too.
Good stuff Pig.
Playing against him yes, I play the best

Playing as him no but I am always discussing privately w top players these things

Another topic we discuss is what happens when someone posts a dumpster fire when posting incomplete MU charts w incomplete numbers and info
 

Tom Brady

Champion
Well if you're not going to answer my question I'll lead.... His B12 string can be punished by D1 linked into HM, His db2 is incredibly negative and if thrown out from nutrel that's like a free torpedo.

His zoning game isn't strong enough to stop shazam from getting in, AM has the trait which is really useful but it doesn't help against a chunky Command grab.
Though Aquaman does have a heck of alot range which Shazam doesn't, but I rest my case a fair amount of his strings can be punished by one thing or another.

1. B12 cannot be punished by anything besides superman's super, so you are incorrect there.

2. Aquaman can damage you from ranges you cannot damage him, and he out ranges you so you lose a lot of damage trying to get in from outside of sweep range.

3. FTD is safe from torpedo unless you are just outside sweep range or closer. From that range why would you torpedo when command throw is guaranteed? If you tried to punish a FTD with torpedo from outside the range I just mentioned, it is you who is getting punished.

You clearly haven't even spent time in practice mode in this MU as everything I just dispelled can be done via training mode vs a cpu dummy.
 

juicepouch

blink-182 enthusiast
Green lantern- Begins match and realizes how much of a pain it is to deal with Minigun and other zoning tools. Waking up teleport could be bad since they have lift. Can punish AT with Lift probably. 7-3 Green Lantern. Hate this MU

As for GL, I think AT is only punishable by lift at certain ranges, but I've been wrong before. Definitely one of the matchups you have to play slower and lamer than most.

Black Adam- No idea. Fuck Black Adam
I agree wholeheartedly. Fuck that guy.
 

Pig Of The Hut

Day 0 Phenomenal Dr. Fate and Darkseid player
I'm posting a thread to create the "True Match up chart" as It seems I'm the only one who has ever attempted to do this with Shazam, I made one way way way Back and now I want to start this over, Pig You just enjoy antagonising grow up, You're not disrupting other peoples good efforts here, You're just bad. (to clarify by bad I don't mean at the game incase you took it that way).
U should let someone credible do it

One doesn't exist because info is still being analyzed and received
 

RM Jonnitti

Hot Dog
Can someone help me understand how to fuck up shazam as DS? ISF_AWG_Indecisive plays at my weekly and on paper you guys are telling me i should never lose to him but its happened before. he kind of just walks in and eventually gets there and listens for MB guns.
 

Pig Of The Hut

Day 0 Phenomenal Dr. Fate and Darkseid player
Come on Pig! Honestly I'm a huge fan of yours and your efforts for the community but what's this attitude about??????????????

Lets have a discussion and not a sarcastic bitch fight people!
That's cool but he posted a chart misleading people who visit the site who have no clue

Charts need to w discussed and decided on in a proper organized fashion in the MUS discussion threads or privately in threads

Threads like this should exist when only the shazam community has come to agreement mostly

What he posted is mind numbing