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General/Other Flash 1.06 damage

So ..our trait damage remains the same, but our bnbs both in the corner and midscreen have suffered at least a 5% drop. Why? Why was this the avenue nether realm chose to take? This damage nerf to traitless combos would make sense if perhaps we got some slight frame reduction, but I see none. A 38% ambiguous in the corner is now 33, midscreen dropped to 36. I dont think flash is garbage witbout trait, but pending the generation of meter, some traitless combos may now be lacking. I'm disappointed with this decision. Would have rather trait damage was nerfed. Thoughts?
 

Breaker

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God damn you Flash players and your constant complaining. At this point in time your character is EASILY Top 5 so who cares if you suffered some damage nerf, At least it didn't get reduced by 10-15% like Deathstrokes in the first patch.
 

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God damn you Flash players and your constant complaining. At this point in time your character is EASILY Top 5 so who cares if you suffered some damage nerf, At least it didn't get reduced by 10-15% like Deathstrokes in the first patch.
Aquaman, Martian Manhunter, Zod, Batman, Batgirl, Green Lantern, Killer Frost, Sinestro, Wonder Woman

No, he's not "easily" top 5. He's still really good though.
 

Breaker

~AKUMA~
Aquaman, Martian Manhunter, Zod, Batman, Batgirl, Green Lantern, Killer Frost, Sinestro, Wonder Woman

No, he's not "easily" top 5. He's still really good though.
Ahhh NO! 5 of your picks are NOT Top 5. Top 10 yeah but don't go trigger happy with what's considered Top 5.
 

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Ahhh NO! 5 of your picks are NOT Top 5. Top 10 yeah but don't go trigger happy with what's considered Top 5.
MMH, is most definitely top 5 he's a candidate for best in the game. And I'd place batgirl, Zod and Frost above Flash any day. Maybe not sinestro but that's another argument.
 

Breaker

~AKUMA~
Let's here what you got like 1 losing MU, gtfo here flash could even tie the spot with WW for #1 character in the game. And don't give me any reports unless you're a tournament viable Flash player.
 

Breaker

~AKUMA~
MMH, is most definitely top 5 he's a candidate for best in the game. And I'd place batgirl, Zod and Frost above Flash any day. Maybe not sinestro but that's another argument.
That's most definitely your opinion. MMH loses pretty bad to Flash. 5-5 with Zod and 5.5-4.5 with Batgirl. 5-5 with GL, 5-5 KF.
 

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That's most definitely your opinion. MMH loses pretty bad to Flash. 5-5 with Zod and 5.5-4.5 with Batgirl. 5-5 with GL, 5-5 KF.
Tier list are mostly based upon opinions until we have raw MU data to support them.

But, my opinion happens to be shared by quite a few tournament players so there's that.

And I didn't say that Flash isn't potentially top 5, just that he's not "easily" top 5. He faces competition with many others (which I listed).
 

SaJa

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Ahhh NO! 5 of your picks are NOT Top 5. Top 10 yeah but don't go trigger happy with what's considered Top 5.

At least we've seen them more than Flash in tournament so if we just talk about facts, you are the one who is wrong. Theories can go very far.
 

Breaker

~AKUMA~
At least we've seen them more than Flash in tournament so if we just talk about facts, you are the one who is wrong. Theories can go very far.
Excuse you sir, Flash is not easy character to use let alone master. All those other characters are so easy to use there for you see more of them. All you Flash players do all day long is complain and down play. I swear deep down you know how good your character is and you don't want the light to shine on it. CONSPIRACY!!! Great punishers, Check. High damage output, Check, Ambiguous set-ups, Check. Great Frame Data, Check. Great normals, Check. Number of Bad MU, 2.
 

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Excuse you sir, Flash is not easy character to use let alone master. All those other characters are so easy to use there for you see more of them. All you Flash players do all day long is complain and down play. I swear deep down you know how good your character is and you don't want the light to shine on it. CONSPIRACY!!! Great punishers, Check. High damage output, Check, Ambiguous set-ups, Check. Great Frame Data, Check. Great normals, Check. Number of Bad MU, 2.
I think the backlash was in response to you stating you'd only converse with "tournament viable Flash players". Don't dish it if you can't take it mate.
 
Excuse you sir, Flash is not easy character to use let alone master. All those other characters are so easy to use there for you see more of them. All you Flash players do all day long is complain and down play. I swear deep down you know how good your character is and you don't want the light to shine it. CONSPIRACY!!! Great punishers, Check. High damage output, Check, Ambiguous set-ups, Check. Great Frame Data, Check. Great normals, Check. Number of Bad MU, 2.
Stop making sweeping statements about "Flash players" I never say anything less than "Flash can win tournaments" when I talk about his character strength. As far as your checklist, you can make an arbitrary list for all the characters in the game save the Bad MU stat which is completely opinion based for the time being. The game is still very young for talk about any of this so everyone calm the fuck down and play the new patch first before judging it.
 
God damn you Flash players and your constant complaining. At this point in time your character is EASILY Top 5 so who cares if you suffered some damage nerf, At least it didn't get reduced by 10-15% like Deathstrokes in the first patch.
Flash was never and will not be Top 5, before the patch we had 41%-43% 1 bar no trait if we get in now it´s like 35%-38% and Flash have no chip damage tool but it´s ok i´m sure that The Flash community will come up with something
 

SaJa

FH_FenriR
Excuse you sir, Flash is not easy character to use let alone master. All those other characters are so easy to use there for you see more of them. All you Flash players do all day long is complain and down play. I swear deep down you know how good your character is and you don't want the light to shine on it. CONSPIRACY!!! Great punishers, Check. High damage output, Check, Ambiguous set-ups, Check. Great Frame Data, Check. Great normals, Check. Number of Bad MU, 2.

blabla, always same story. We didn't say flash was crap, we said they didn't nerf the trait damage but the corner one which is stupid. We said flash isn't top 5 because some other char are better and have less bad matchups (he has like 4-5 bad matchups).
Flash isn't harder to play than BG and at a certain point execution isn't a problem anymore.
People like you always mentionne flash's strengh but don't know shit about his weaknesses so the glass half empty or half full ?

high damage : bane too, shazam too, grundy too. What you have to know is that flash does 20% meterless.
Ambigous crossup : yeah, that's great. Who doesn't have it btw ?
Great frame data : Flash reach is crap, unless you use 15f startup. His charges are good (11f and 6f) but not safe.
Great normals : d1d2, b22 are great indeed. I remind that b22f3 whiffes against 50% of crouching characters. But obviously you didn't know that. Despite those 2 strings everything is duckable and Flash has no jail string (you can back dash whenever you want but people don't know that too).
Number of bad mu : see below.

Flash is top 10.

And again, I've seen more HG in tournament than Flash, so come back with facts not theories.
 

Breaker

~AKUMA~
I think the backlash was in response to you stating you'd only converse with "tournament viable Flash players". Don't dish it if you can't take it mate.
You're not making any sense right now, wth are you talking about?

Flash was never and will not be Top 5, before the patch we had 41%-43% 1 bar no trait if we get in now it´s like 35%-38% and Flash have no chip damage tool but it´s ok i´m sure that The Flash community will come up with something
Your reasoning is superficial, 50-63% Trait combos. BEST pressure in the game. BEST advancing dash in the game.
 

Breaker

~AKUMA~
blabla, always same story. We didn't say flash was crap, we said they didn't nerf the trait damage but the corner one which is stupid. We said flash isn't top 5 because some other char are better and have less bad matchups (he has like 4-5 bad matchups).
Flash isn't harder to play than BG and at a certain point execution isn't a problem anymore.
People like you always mentionne flash's strengh but don't know shit about his weaknesses so the glass half empty or half full ?

high damage : bane too, shazam too, grundy too. What you have to know is that flash does 20% meterless.
Ambigous crossup : yeah, that's great. Who doesn't have it btw ?
Great frame data : Flash reach is crap, unless you use 15f startup. His charges are good (11f and 6f) but not safe.
Great normals : d1d2, b22 are great indeed. I remind that b22f3 whiffes against 50% of crouching characters. But obviously you didn't know that. Despite those 2 strings everything is duckable and Flash has no jail string (you can back dash whenever you want but people don't know that too).
Number of bad mu : see below.

Flash is top 10.
Why don't you pat yourself on the back you typed a lot. All I see is some MORE complaining and excuses.
 

SaJa

FH_FenriR
Why don't you pat yourself on the back you typed a lot. All I see is some MORE complaining and excuses.

Why excuses ? I won my last tournament.
Even if flash would be top 1, why couldn't we complain about the way they tried to balance him ?

The only one complaining like a crybaby here is youself.