Breakthrough MB STINGER SECOND HIT CONFIRMED FOR OVERHEAD!

[jaym7018]

People are gonna be scared to try and punish that normal slide.

 

[Eddy Wang]

Some of the decisions made in this patch are mind-boggling.

Did he need this? Honestly. I don't play the character, but this seems silly.

He needz it, he definitely needz it.

 

[shaowebb]

Some of the decisions made in this patch are mind-boggling.

Did he need this? Honestly. I don't play the character, but this seems silly.

Honestly? IMO Nope. Just needed to be a mid if they really wanted us to gain block advantage for a bar of meter to get in. That alone had us predicting him being one of the most buffed in this patch but this is pretty damned crazy. Tournies are gonna start lighting up. Hello midscreen pressure combos without ice startups.

 

[RIF]

Honestly? IMO Nope. Just needed to be a mid if they really wanted us to gain block advantage for a bar of meter to get in. That alone had us predicting him being one of the most buffed in this patch but this is pretty damned crazy. Tournies are gonna start lighting up. Hello midscreen pressure combos without ice startups.

This looks like a faster version of Earthshaker.

 

[jaym7018]

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This looks like a faster version of Earthshaker.

IDK....I am starting to really have my doubts about this patch.

Except earth shaker doesnt cost meter. This is a good buff that will make him a very strong character. Nothing near OP though.

 

[RIF]

Except earth shaker doesnt cost meter.

Yes, but it also doesn't have the range or speed.

 

[jaym7018]

Yes, but it also doesn't have the range or speed.

It does if you have meter. Charge d1 earth shaker. Earth shaker will still require faster blocking.

 

[RIF]

It does if you have meter. Charge d1 earth shaker. Earth shaker will still require faster blocking.

All of your replies have basically indicated what I am suggesting.....it's just like Earthshaker. It looks VERY fast to me.

 

[jaym7018]

All of your replies have basically indicated what I am suggesting.....it's just like Earthshaker. It looks VERY fast to me.

Log on to the game now you can see how fast it is. Its slower by quite a bit compared to earth shaker. Its gonna be much easier to block than ES.

 

[RIF]

Log on to the game now you can see how fast it is. Its slower by quite a bit compared to earth shaker. Its gonna be much easier to block than ES.

I hope so. IDK if it's game changing, but it seems like one of those buffs that just seems a little much.

 

[LEGEND]

Now lets try to find out how late we can MB it, if we don't do it while they're expecting a MB, it should give a window for:
D1~Arrow
F213
MB B3

Intradesting

that was my thought as well. If you can still delay the MB then that Slide is going to be ridiculous

man i can't wait

 

[Spiral0Architect]

My faith in Green Arrow has been restored (not that it left). Time to get back into this game!

 

[shaowebb]

This plus crouch plus the no need to return to neutral out of block input fix means I am going online tomorrow and fucking up some folks as Green Arrow.

 

[Konqrr]

High low mixup. They block low then they have to stand. They can't just crouch block it on reaction. If they stand afterwards I dont know how much frame advantage we get but we can then go for low or high to mess with them hopefully.

You don't get it... You only get the overhead if you MB it. If you don't then you are still negative and eat a full combo.

This is pretty much a "get in for free move" but you lose your super so it's a good tradeoff.

 

[shaowebb]

You don't get it... You only get the overhead if you MB it. If you don't then you are still negative and eat a full combo.

This is pretty much a "get in for free move" but you lose your super so it's a good tradeoff.

wait what? I thought they said it was being made safe on block. To even have a move to block during MB they had to change the second hit. I thought if they stood and blocked it that meant the overhead was plus on block.

 

[SupremeBAM]

Cannot wait for this patch with superman nerfed and green arrow buffed tomorrow is going to be a good day!

 

[SimSim]

wait what? I thought they said it was being made safe on block. To even have a move to block during MB they had to change the second hit. I thought if they stood and blocked it that meant the overhead was plus on block.

They said normal stinger would go from -25 "frame advantage" to -13 "frame advantage", and that you would be able to MB stinger on block for "frame advantage". Who knows what even MB stinger is on block. Might be -5 "frame advantage" lol

 

[jaym7018]

wait what? I thought they said it was being made safe on block. To even have a move to block during MB they had to change the second hit. I thought if they stood and blocked it that meant the overhead was plus on block.

Meterless slide is now -13. We have no idea of frame info if the overhead is blocked.

 

[shaowebb]

Meterless slide is now -13. We have no idea of frame info if the overhead is blocked.

What I'm referring to is this particular line.

• The Stinger special move now has a frame advantage of -13 (up from -25) and can now be Meter Burned when blocked for frame advantage.

Thats the part I want to know. It says frame advantage on block. Does it not necessarily mean plus on block when it referrs to that then?

 

[SimSim]

What I'm referring to is this particular line.

• The Stinger special move now has a frame advantage of -13 (up from -25) and can now be Meter Burned when blocked for frame advantage.

Thats the part I want to know. It says frame advantage on block. Does it not necessarily mean plus on block when it referrs to that then?

In that same sentence you quoted they also say "frame advantage of -13", so no.

 

[jaym7018]

What I'm referring to is this particular line.

• The Stinger special move now has a frame advantage of -13 (up from -25) and can now be Meter Burned when blocked for frame advantage.

Thats the part I want to know. It says frame advantage on block. Does it not necessarily mean plus on block when it referrs to that then?

Judging by other times theyve used the term frame advantage no it doesnt mean plus. It could be anything from -12 to plus a million.

 

[shaowebb]

Judging by other times theyve used the term frame advantage no it doesnt mean plus. It could be anything from -12 to plus a million.

Hmm...that changes some plans. What I was after was frame advantage for a bar of meter using slide. Well worth a bar for that kind of action. Still gonna enjoy this though. Its not as crazy as i thought though considering this. I'll definitely be frame counting tomorrow.

 

[jaym7018]

Hmm...that changes some plans. What I was after was frame advantage for a bar of meter using slide. Well worth a bar for that kind of action. Still gonna enjoy this though. Its not as crazy as i thought though considering this. I'll definitely be frame counting tomorrow.

Hey im done being a pessimist i already gotta hold that for scaring the ga community with my pessimism. Now im optimisic i predict you will be + frames.

 

[Cossner]

It'll be great if you can get a free string afterwards. Otherwise it's just meh, and anyone with half a brain will be able to block it.

I really hope he gets at least +8 or something around that range. I don't know ;_;

Also lol at axel_redd not even knowing what mix ups are, and randoms saying this is broken. Try getting in with GA against anyone decent and then say "he doesn't need it". Lol at people saying broken before even the patch comes out.

 

[Jimmypotato]

It'll be great if you can get a free string afterwards. Otherwise it's just meh, and anyone with half a brain will be able to block it.

I really hope he gets at least +8 or something around that range. I don't know ;_;

Also lol at axel_redd not even knowing what mix ups are, and randoms saying this is broken. Try getting in with GA against anyone decent and then say "he doesn't need it". Lol at people saying broken before even the patch comes out.

The shitty thing is, to get in we still need people to be good enough to block low then high lol. otherwise we are just shooting them out further and blowing a bar for 7% damage (which in somecases is fine, like trying to end a match, but sacrificing super for 7% not the best sometimes me thinks).

I do like that it kinda makes them have to respect the normal Slide for a second if we don't meter burn, which in some cases will make it safe, but thats assuming your opponent respects you at all.

Guess we will see how much frame advantage we have,

I had a whole buncha other stuff written out, but it's better to just wait the few hours and see what kinda advantage we have, whether it's just safe at -5, or plus on block. anything below +5 frames only guarantees our D1 follow up, which is fine, but I wouldn't mind being able to do at least 22 or F2D3, that would be boss.