He needz it, he definitely needz it.Some of the decisions made in this patch are mind-boggling.
Did he need this? Honestly. I don't play the character, but this seems silly.
Honestly? IMO Nope. Just needed to be a mid if they really wanted us to gain block advantage for a bar of meter to get in. That alone had us predicting him being one of the most buffed in this patch but this is pretty damned crazy. Tournies are gonna start lighting up. Hello midscreen pressure combos without ice startups.Some of the decisions made in this patch are mind-boggling.
Did he need this? Honestly. I don't play the character, but this seems silly.
This looks like a faster version of Earthshaker.Honestly? IMO Nope. Just needed to be a mid if they really wanted us to gain block advantage for a bar of meter to get in. That alone had us predicting him being one of the most buffed in this patch but this is pretty damned crazy. Tournies are gonna start lighting up. Hello midscreen pressure combos without ice startups.
Except earth shaker doesnt cost meter. This is a good buff that will make him a very strong character. Nothing near OP though.ed
This looks like a faster version of Earthshaker.
IDK....I am starting to really have my doubts about this patch.
Yes, but it also doesn't have the range or speed.Except earth shaker doesnt cost meter.
It does if you have meter. Charge d1 earth shaker. Earth shaker will still require faster blocking.Yes, but it also doesn't have the range or speed.
All of your replies have basically indicated what I am suggesting.....it's just like Earthshaker. It looks VERY fast to me.It does if you have meter. Charge d1 earth shaker. Earth shaker will still require faster blocking.
Log on to the game now you can see how fast it is. Its slower by quite a bit compared to earth shaker. Its gonna be much easier to block than ES.All of your replies have basically indicated what I am suggesting.....it's just like Earthshaker. It looks VERY fast to me.
I hope so. IDK if it's game changing, but it seems like one of those buffs that just seems a little much.Log on to the game now you can see how fast it is. Its slower by quite a bit compared to earth shaker. Its gonna be much easier to block than ES.
that was my thought as well. If you can still delay the MB then that Slide is going to be ridiculousNow lets try to find out how late we can MB it, if we don't do it while they're expecting a MB, it should give a window for:
D1~Arrow
F213
MB B3
Intradesting
You don't get it... You only get the overhead if you MB it. If you don't then you are still negative and eat a full combo.High low mixup. They block low then they have to stand. They can't just crouch block it on reaction. If they stand afterwards I dont know how much frame advantage we get but we can then go for low or high to mess with them hopefully.
wait what? I thought they said it was being made safe on block. To even have a move to block during MB they had to change the second hit. I thought if they stood and blocked it that meant the overhead was plus on block.You don't get it... You only get the overhead if you MB it. If you don't then you are still negative and eat a full combo.
This is pretty much a "get in for free move" but you lose your super so it's a good tradeoff.
They said normal stinger would go from -25 "frame advantage" to -13 "frame advantage", and that you would be able to MB stinger on block for "frame advantage". Who knows what even MB stinger is on block. Might be -5 "frame advantage" lolwait what? I thought they said it was being made safe on block. To even have a move to block during MB they had to change the second hit. I thought if they stood and blocked it that meant the overhead was plus on block.
Meterless slide is now -13. We have no idea of frame info if the overhead is blocked.wait what? I thought they said it was being made safe on block. To even have a move to block during MB they had to change the second hit. I thought if they stood and blocked it that meant the overhead was plus on block.
What I'm referring to is this particular line.Meterless slide is now -13. We have no idea of frame info if the overhead is blocked.
In that same sentence you quoted they also say "frame advantage of -13", so no.What I'm referring to is this particular line.
Thats the part I want to know. It says frame advantage on block. Does it not necessarily mean plus on block when it referrs to that then?
- The Stinger special move now has a frame advantage of -13 (up from -25) and can now be Meter Burned when blocked for frame advantage.
Judging by other times theyve used the term frame advantage no it doesnt mean plus. It could be anything from -12 to plus a million.What I'm referring to is this particular line.
Thats the part I want to know. It says frame advantage on block. Does it not necessarily mean plus on block when it referrs to that then?
- The Stinger special move now has a frame advantage of -13 (up from -25) and can now be Meter Burned when blocked for frame advantage.
Hmm...that changes some plans. What I was after was frame advantage for a bar of meter using slide. Well worth a bar for that kind of action. Still gonna enjoy this though. Its not as crazy as i thought though considering this. I'll definitely be frame counting tomorrow.Judging by other times theyve used the term frame advantage no it doesnt mean plus. It could be anything from -12 to plus a million.
Hey im done being a pessimist i already gotta hold that for scaring the ga community with my pessimism. Now im optimisic i predict you will be + frames.Hmm...that changes some plans. What I was after was frame advantage for a bar of meter using slide. Well worth a bar for that kind of action. Still gonna enjoy this though. Its not as crazy as i thought though considering this. I'll definitely be frame counting tomorrow.
The shitty thing is, to get in we still need people to be good enough to block low then high lol. otherwise we are just shooting them out further and blowing a bar for 7% damage (which in somecases is fine, like trying to end a match, but sacrificing super for 7% not the best sometimes me thinks).It'll be great if you can get a free string afterwards. Otherwise it's just meh, and anyone with half a brain will be able to block it.
I really hope he gets at least +8 or something around that range. I don't know ;_;
Also lol at axel_redd not even knowing what mix ups are, and randoms saying this is broken. Try getting in with GA against anyone decent and then say "he doesn't need it". Lol at people saying broken before even the patch comes out.