Question 50 Shades of Grey Roleplay Thread

[EGP Wonder_Chef]

can't get top 8 -> player: washed up, character: mid tier
#TYMLogic

I'm not saying Aquaman isn't good, I think he's really good. But you can't say that Aquaman is potentially 1st or 2nd place and then have him not place top 8 without a good reason!

 

[GGA HAN]

I'm not saying Aquaman isn't good, I think he's really good. But you can't say that Aquaman is potentially 1st or 2nd place and then have him not place top 8 without a good reason!

Kenshi was generally regarded as # 2 in MK9, right? Who else, besides Pig, was delivering top 8 results with this character for the majority of the the games' life? Its the same thing going on here; As soon as Aquaman finds his Pig (LOL) or vice-versa, I really think we'll be seeing more of him in top 8's and potentially winning tournaments. We'll see though; Interesting topic that I hope no Aquaman mains get upset about us discussing.

 

[Minh Giang]

I'm not saying Aquaman isn't good, I think he's really good. But you can't say that Aquaman is potentially 1st or 2nd place and then have him not place top 8 without a good reason!

dude, like i said, Aquaman is very good, imo top 3, but not that broken, and this is not MK9 anymore, the game is more balanced imo.

 

[PLAYING TO WIN]

maybe you need to ask... how many times did aquaman lose to a counter pick black adam? i know PL did it to tom...

 

[PLAYING TO WIN]

Aquaman players just don't deliver. This character is STUPID. He has dominant footsies because of his dash and b1, as well as one of the best jump attacks in the game. He takes free chip everytime he gets in ( with a frickin d1 cancel). Only a handful of characters can punish it and that's assuming that the aqua player positions themselves close to their opponent during the move.

this

 

[EGP Wonder_Chef]

maybe you need to ask... how many times did aquaman lose to a counter pick black adam? i know PL did it to tom...

Tom says that matchup isn't bad

 

[GGA HAN]

Aquaman players just don't deliver. This character is STUPID. He has dominant footsies because of his dash and b1, as well as one of the best jump attacks in the game. He takes free chip everytime he gets in ( with a frickin d1 cancel). Only a handful of characters can punish it and that's assuming that the aqua player positions themselves close to their opponent during the move.

Yo, Wound - You forgot he has the best anti-air normal in the game; his d2 is ridiculous!

 

[EGP Wonder_Chef]

Yo, Wound - You forgot he has the best anti-air normal in the game; his d2 is ridiculous!

slightly off topic but it's really sad that having a good anti air is considered anything but the standard in this game =[

 

[Esruck Cype]

I'm not saying Aquaman isn't good, I think he's really good. But you can't say that Aquaman is potentially 1st or 2nd place and then have him not place top 8 without a good reason!

Yes, you can.

I love NRS games, I LOVE watching them above every game except Tekken (my heart) and SF4 (just a well-designed game), but I unfortunately and fraudulently never had the time to really devote my time to them. That said, I AM an outsider looking in from other games from my past.

It takes great players to make all those theoretical tier-lists actually happen. Cammy, Fei Long, and Sakura were slept on for the longest time. As was Morrigan and Vergil. As was Cervantes and Sophitia in SoulCal2. As was Mishimas in Tekken before Korea made their ever-lasting mark.

When you have a bunch of people emulating what they see on YouTube or Twitch and switching from their main after every single freakin' loss, instead of actually learning every in and out of their character and really trying to adapt to what other characters can do to beat their character or what habits their opponents have, you get what you see: lowest-common-denominator bandwagon characters dominating. It's happened in FG until evolution truly occurred . In Injustice, it's the Kal-El and Teth Adam show.

We'll see though; Interesting topic that I hope no Aquaman mains get upset about us discussing.

I hope they do.

Again, just as an outsider that has been playing FGs seriously and NAH-competitively for a loooong time (I plead the fif), I see "hidden" top chars like Grundy, WW, Flash, Dick, and now MMH played by people that complain, use excuses, or just flat-out don't deliver.

It's not the character, it's the player. Step your game up.

 

[TRY_HARD]

dude, like i said, Aquaman is very good, imo top 3, but not that broken, and this is not MK9 anymore, the game is more balanced imo.

Exactly AM is in no way shape or form kabal. He has tough 5-5's and acouple losing matchups depending on what MU's some consider either 5-5 or 4-6 but AM doesnt rape 95% of the cast like some make him out to be and how many players actually solely play AM in tournament?

I know Tom does and i havent followed the tournament scene too much so not sure how many other do but the point is AM doesnt suck, he isnt overrated, and the players dont suck either. Is it not true there are less highly known AM player then how many fingers i have on my hand? Considering not every player can always travel to a major there may be 1 or 2 high level Aquamans in it so can anyone tell me how or why a character with that kind of representation should constantly place high?

 

[EGP Wonder_Chef]

Yes, you can.

No, you can't.

Based on your post, the "good reason" would be that current Aquaman players are not good with him.

 

[LEGEND]

Aquaman takes fundamentals to play well, while Superman and Black Adam do not

and while Aquaman does body more than half the cast, he unfortunately goes even with alot of the top tier (and loses to both BA and Supes)

later in the games life when all the Aquaman players know their MUs (and since BA and Supes are getting nerfed) i expect to see Aquaman all over top 8s

 

[LEGEND]

No, you can't.

Based on your post, the "good reason" would be that current Aquaman players are not good with him.

i wouldn't say current Aquaman players aren't good with him. Its a simple matter of the character needing to know MUs to win. Whereas Superman and Black Adam just do shit and win

take my DS vs your Aquaman for example, while its a bad MU for DS, you weren't familiar with it so i was able to beat you. On the other hand you were beating my GL consistently which is a fairly even MU

 

[ELC]

Aquaman players aren't necessarily bad, but they need to do a lot more homework to be high level Aquaman players as opposed to other characters.

 

[EMPEROR_THEO]

Aquaman is top 5, it's just that Black Adam kept preventing him from shining at the recent majors.

Brady lost to Rico at Evo.
Dizzy lost to (I think) Rico at Evo.
Tom lost to PLs Black Adam and FK's Black Adam in tourney.
Riyo lost to Rico Suave at Summer Jam.
Flawedzilla lost to Rico at EVO and TFC (Best Aquaman out there in terms of pure skill in my opinion)
I can name much much more if I look more at bracketology.

The point of this is that Aquaman players seem to have the bad luck of falling to Black Adams in tourney which kept them short of shining this monstrosity of the character in the big spotlight.

Its like...imagine if all the world's best Kenshis kept on having to fight REO in tourney on their way to top 8. Is Kenshi then overrated?

 

[xInfra Deadx]

People suck with him. He's still one of the best characters in the game.

 

[DarkPage]

What bout Wonder Woman
Is there just a bunch of top 8s she been in that I'm ignorant to?

 

[Immortal Kombat]

Lol...these threads. Where do we rank characters such as sinestro and GA in this community? Where do those characters place?
I think its player skill that matters. Wound would not win with sinestro if it was anything other than that.

 

[Glass Sword]

Aquaman is a character that now he had run the nerf gauntlet shall only get better. Aquaman still has the tools to be one of the best. The issue is Aquaman is not a character with a universal gameplan. He is not going to get into vortex and win like frost or batgirl or pressure with f23 breath like superman. Aquaman players simply have not had the time to be able to play each match up to the extent where they know what to do in all of them. Just give the Aquaman players time.
Not to mention having to adjust to nerfs each patch.

 

[Immortal Kombat]

I think alot of it is the lack of tech in the aquaman forums.
Many aquamans feel like they reached their max potential with him early in this game.
Hes just flat out boring so you dont explore new things.

 

[NightwingDayZero]

Aquaman players just don't deliver. This character is STUPID. He has dominant footsies because of his dash and b1, as well as one of the best jump attacks in the game. He takes free chip everytime he gets in ( with a frickin d1 cancel). Only a handful of characters can punish it and that's assuming that the aqua player positions themselves close to their opponent during the move.

This.

Aquaman's trait isn't the only thing that makes him stupid, and with that being his ONLY nerf - we'll be seeing a LOT more of him.

 

[SonicBoomBrad]

How do you overrate someone with amazing footsies, at least 30% off of any confirm, and a get out of jail free card? He's a little bit worse with the nerf, but he's not overrated. Still easy top 5.

 

[Qwark28]

Aquaman is top 5, it's just that Black Adam kept preventing him from shining at the recent majors.

Brady lost to Rico at Evo.
Dizzy lost to (I think) Rico at Evo.
Tom lost to PLs Black Adam and FK's Black Adam in tourney.
Riyo lost to Rico Suave at Summer Jam.
Flawedzilla lost to Rico at EVO and TFC (Best Aquaman out there in terms of pure skill in my opinion)
I can name much much more if I look more at bracketology.

The point of this is that Aquaman players seem to have the bad luck of falling to Black Adams in tourney which kept them short of shining this monstrosity of the character in the big spotlight.

Its like...imagine if all the world's best Kenshis kept on having to fight REO in tourney on their way to top 8. Is Kenshi then overrated?

tldr rico fucking suave

 

[rev0lver]

Sonya is mid tier according to "tournament placings".

Top 3 at evo, top 8 at Devastation 2011 hold that.

I think Aquaman is overrated. If you take out his trait he's a pretty normal character, imo. That's not to say his trait isn't a big thing in a lot of matchups, I just think the emphasis on it is too much.

I can see how he maybe is top 5 right now? Like in the current injustice metagame. But I think down the line he will fall off top 5 in most people's minds.

 

[Cossner]

Top 3 at evo, top 8 at Devastation 2011 hold that.

I think Aquaman is overrated. If you take out his trait he's a pretty normal character, imo. That's not to say his trait isn't a big thing in a lot of matchups, I just think the emphasis on it is too much.

2 placings out of dozens of tournaments. Does this mean Smoke is better than Sonya? And Kenshi is worse than KL?