Breakthrough Confirmed Details on Changes to Shazam!

[Metzos]

We want something fucked up like the rest of the cast has. I don't believe in neutering the top tier, so buff the shit out of the bottom

Are you serious man? You want to buff a character who has the best anti-wake up game in the entire cast? You literally cannot wake up against him after a hard knock-down when he has venom activated. He also has an unblockable command grab, which cannot be wake up back dashed by no one, leads to another hard knock-down and on top of that you want buffs? Pardon me for saying but gtfo here. Srsly.

 

[Alien Substance]

In the words of M2Dave: " You are a fool"

No you are a fool.

Let's be gentlemen and not get into a fight.

 

[jaym7018]

lolwut.

The frame data on the 3 has to change to make combos possible unless they implement some truely wonky gravity the string will recover faster. It might not be +3 on block like adams currently is (i stress currently) but it goes further and will likely be easier to combo off of.

 

[zoofs]

Normals needing help b23 is now better than black adams b23. Seriously wtf.

have you ever even played shazam? lol at his b23 being better than adams, the fuck

 

[Awkward Sloth]

Shazam top 28 instead of top 30 now? Awesome : D

 

[MagicMan357]

You guys want a zangief with the zoning of sagat with the mobility of guy. This is exactly why other fighting communities laugh at us, because so many scrubs dont even understand the basics of fighters.

Once again fixes to his strings make since but really? A jail free tele?

 

[Alien Substance]

have you ever even played shazam? lol at his b23 being better than adams, the fuck

Well, we haven't even seen how much more range Captain Marvel's B2,3 has, or if NRS changed some frame data, or how much more damage Shazam gets off of it. We'll just have to wait and see how much better it really is after the patch comes.

 

[RWDY Nori]

Are you serious man? You want to buff a character who has the best anti-wake up game in the entire cast? You literally cannot wake up against him after a hard knock-down when he has venom activated. He also has an unblockable command grab, which cannot be wake up back dashed by no one, leads to another hard knock-down and on top of that you want buffs? Pardon me for saying but gtfo here. Srsly.

Do you know how easy that stuff is to get away from? If you have a problem fighting Bane, that's on you, and most of the time, he's not close enough to be doing all of those things. You're talking about a perfect scenario here. Didn't you used to play Bane? How you don't realize his weaknesses is mind blowing

 

[jaym7018]

have you ever even played shazam? lol at his b23 being better than adams, the fuck

Obviously i dont mean right now. But his new b23 will likely be safe and it will lead to more damage than adams currently does. Now if the dont fix the whiffing issue ill hold that, but im optimistic they will. And if adam is to be nerfed him losing his +3 on block is one of the prime ways to nerf him without killing him.

 

[Tiger Wong]

Are you serious man? You want to buff a character who has the best anti-wake up game in the entire cast?

Batgirl?

 

[EMPRESS_SunFire]

So basically, shazams command grabs will have the range of banes or close to that, which should've been so since day 1.

minor damage, combos out of already comboable and unsafe strings.

Is this what you've been working on ever since evo, all these months, NRS?

How about asking a few players what they want instead of random changes?

Considering NRS standard of damage buffs or nerfs, i'd say the difference is like 3% lol...

Or we can wait & then talk imo

 

[zoofs]

Obviously i dont mean right now. But his new b23 will likely be safe and it will lead to more damage than adams currently does. Now if the dont fix the whiffing issue ill hold that, but im optimistic they will. And if adam is to be nerfed him losing his +3 on block is one of the prime ways to nerf him without killing him.

if they make it safe and fix the whiffing issue, that would help a lot but I really, really doubt that lol.

 

[MagicMan357]

Or we can wait & then talk imo

Logic doesnt reside in most tym users, no matter what you do

 

[Metzos]

Do you know how easy that stuff is to get away from? If you have a problem fighting Bane, that's on you, and most of the time, he's not close enough to be doing all of those things. You're talking about a perfect scenario here. Didn't you used to play Bane? How you don't realize his weaknesses is mind blowing

I used to play Bane and thats why i am saying he doesnt need buffs, only some fixes. I am telling you right now and mark my words. If they give Bane a charge cancel or anything similar he will destroy the entire cast. He will be able to get in on zoners easier than DD ffs and without risk AT ALL, bait the unbaitable, and with the tools and frame traps he has up close, you guys will wish Bane to be low tier again.

No one really knows what Bane is capable off in the right hands because no one has ever bothered playing him at the highest lvl. He is perhaps the only character in the entire roster who is not brain-dead spamming and actually requires from the player controlling him to think before attacking. You guys want a Zangief-like character to receive a NDC which is plain RIDICULOUS.

 

[Qwark28]

Do you know how easy that stuff is to get away from? If you have a problem fighting Bane, that's on you, and most of the time, he's not close enough to be doing all of those things. You're talking about a perfect scenario here. Didn't you used to play Bane? How you don't realize his weaknesses is mind blowing

bane does not have a problem getting in when one dash covers half the screen and he slaughters people who dont have 2 hitting wakeups, then once youre not pressing buttons you get command grabbed into the same situation

bane is upper mid.

 

[jaym7018]

if they make it safe and fix the whiffing issue, that would help a lot but I really, really doubt that lol.

Why would you doubt that the frame data has to change in order for follow ups to be possible, how can you not see that? The whiffing issue i have my fingers crossed, its been a known bug hopefully in this patch all the things that whiff that shouldnt are fixed.

 

[Metzos]

Batgirl?

Not on Bane's lvl sorry.

 

[RWDY Nori]

Metzos He will still lose to chars like GL, Batman, Superman, NW, Batgirl............shit, anybody who hits more than once. Which is a lot of people. Bane got a lot better, he's a solid.......mid? Cancelling the charge will be far from game breaking. He doesn't need more damage. He doesn't need more speed. He just needs this and will allow him to somewhat compete w/all the brain dead top tier. We aren't asking for a F23 string or B23+ on block whiff punisher

@Qwark28 I wish Bane was upper mid but he's not. The entire JLA beats him and Black Adam pees on him. You spend more time getting in on chars than anything vs the top tier.

 

[DarkPage]

I gotta say I am completely surprised by these buffs considering that it seemed lobos were pretty well thought out
But none the less these are buffs regardless so it will still make him better

 

[CD jr]

I used to play Bane and thats why i am saying he doesnt need buffs, only some fixes. I am telling you right now and mark my words. If they give Bane a charge cancel or anything similar he will destroy the entire cast. He will be able to get in on zoners easier than DD ffs and without risk AT ALL, bait the unbaitable, and with the tools and frame traps he has up close, you guys will wish Bane to be low tier again.

No one really knows what Bane is capable off in the right hands because no one has ever bothered playing him at the highest lvl. He is perhaps the only character in the entire roster who is not brain-dead spamming and actually requires from the player controlling him to think before attacking. You guys want a Zangief-like character to receive a NDC which is plain RIDICULOUS.

Idk about the "only character" that's not braindead. He is pretty scrubby and can body any player at low level. braindead? No scrubby? Yes but then again half the cast in this game have scrubby shit.

 

[zoofs]

Why would you doubt that the frame data has to change in order for follow ups to be possible, how can you not see that? The whiffing issue i have my fingers crossed, its been a known bug hopefully in this patch all the things that whiff that shouldnt are fixed.

im not saying the frame data won't change, I just doubt theyll make it safe lol

 

[PND_Mustard]

I used to play Bane and thats why i am saying he doesnt need buffs, only some fixes. I am telling you right now and mark my words. If they give Bane a charge cancel or anything similar he will destroy the entire cast. He will be able to get in on zoners easier than DD ffs and without risk AT ALL, bait the unbaitable, and with the tools and frame traps he has up close, you guys will wish Bane to be low tier again.

No one really knows what Bane is capable off in the right hands because no one has ever bothered playing him at the highest lvl. He is perhaps the only character in the entire roster who is not brain-dead spamming and actually requires from the player controlling him to think before attacking. You guys want a Zangief-like character to receive a NDC which is plain RIDICULOUS.

Hi Metzos.

 

[DarkPage]

Also what if the range on the grabs are as far reaching as supes f23 lol

 

[Metzos]

Idk about the "only character" that's not braindead. He is pretty scrubby and can body any player at low level. braindead? No scrubby? Yes but then again half the cast in this game have scrubby shit.

Compared to the majority of the cast he is, because he actually requires effort in order to win with him.

 

[Qwark28]

Metzos He will still lose to chars like GL, Batman, Superman, NW, Batgirl............shit, anybody who hits more than once. Which is a lot of people. Bane got a lot better, he's a solid.......mid? Cancelling the charge will be far from game breaking. He doesn't need more damage. He doesn't need more speed. He just needs this and will allow him to somewhat compete w/all the brain dead top tier. We aren't asking for a F23 string or B23+ on block whiff punisher

@Qwark28 I wish Bane was upper mid but he's not. The entire JLA beats him and Black Adam pees on him. You spend more time getting in on chars than anything vs the top tier.

Zoning outside of glitched "non" projectiles is no problem for bane. One - projectile and hes at jump distance from fullscreen.

ask @pnd mustard