This is kinda sad IGAU

[PunkMafia83]

As a Bane player, the same thing happens every time I beat their first character. They immediately pick deathstroke and usually get blown up for it. Then they pick supes. If I beat that they go black adam and i cry because its almost impossible to beat black Adam with bane.

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That's probably one of the worst match ups in game. In my humble opinion.

 

[Killphil]

Seriously dude...why can't people wait for a Soul Crush to dash? No patience what so ever...

Because then that leaves the Raven/DS player to do whatever they want because you have to sit in fear of a soul crush/DS gunshots. Its not as black and white as "wait for them to throw move x out, then dash/advance forward". While you're "waiting" for them to throw the move out they are dashing backwards to put more space between you, putting other moves on the screen, or waiting for you to move so they can throw these moves that are "easy" to advance on with a greater likelihood of hitting you. Getting on on these characters is harder than people want to admit, especially when the person playing them knows what they're doing and isn't braindead.

 

[xXstealthflameXx]

Because then that leaves the Raven/DS player to do whatever they want because you have to sit in fear of a soul crush/DS gunshots. Its not as black and white as "wait for them to throw move x out, then dash/advance forward". While you're "waiting" for them to throw the move out they are dashing backwards to put more space between you, putting other moves on the screen, or waiting for you to move so they can throw these moves that are "easy" to advance on with a greater likelihood of hitting you. Getting on on these characters is harder than people want to admit, especially when the person playing them knows what they're doing and isn't braindead.

Well DS you can always dash between gunshots, but I'm talking about Raven. If we're doing projectile after projectile and then SC, dash forward. You can duck Shadow Ravens all day. If we're in trait though, don't move...

 

[PND_Ketchup]

And the comment by PyroWEF goes on.
I mean really?
I will stop responding to this guy because it wouldn't make any sense.

"It's not even fun anymore? How do you think that GL player felt dealing with your bullshit gun spam? I'll bet it wasn't fun for him. Deathstroke IS a cocksucker. He's not balanced. There should at LEAST be some restrictions on him, such as when he fires a gun, he can't fire again for 5 seconds, something to at least lower down his power. Advanced players can lose to complete noobs just because they pick him. As TrU3 once said, playing this really makes you think this game doesn't reward skill."

"Yeah, that's an outright lie that a good player will always outsmart a bad player. I've seen good people (including myself) who study the game, work in the lab CONSTANTLY and know how to implement a good strategy lose to people who did nothing but spam the guns because we couldn't get an opening on them. Yes, beating a spammer Deathstroke is possible but there's a lot of variables involved. As far as him being mid tier, that's just laughable. If he's mid tier why does everyone pick him? "

"Who's higher? Doomsday? Alright, I'll give you that one but I can't think of anybody else who can do such complete BASICS and win the majority of their games. Scorpion could do that before he got nerfed but he's useless now. People like Superman, Green Lantern, Batman, etc are weak as fuck in comparison. They actually have to do work to win."

He will never learn, no matter what you say to him. He's convinced himself he's a high level player, and that you can only beat him by "spamming" guns.

This person will never go to a tournament, or contribute to the game/community in any way. Better to just leave him be, he'll end up dropping the game, play a new fighting game that comes out and start acting the same way on that too.

If you fought him in SSF4, he'd say you spam sonic booms.

 

[PND_Ketchup]

Well DS you can always dash between gunshots, but I'm talking about Raven. If we're doing projectile after projectile and then SC, dash forward. You can duck Shadow Ravens all day. If we're in trait though, don't move...

I find the Raven match to be really dry personally, she can tele grab deathstroke on blocked guns, but deathstroke can gunshot tele grabs on block too. It's a really slow paced match unless someone gets the knockdown.

 

[Killphil]

Well DS you can always dash between gunshots, but I'm talking about Raven. If we're doing projectile after projectile and then SC, dash forward. You can duck Shadow Ravens all day. If we're in trait though, don't move...

Off topic: thats the thing. While you're waiting for what the person MIGHT do, they can do other things, such as go into trait or backdash, which effectively negates your last forward dash. I'm really not trying to theory fight, but this is the shit that REALLY happens when you play people like Mr. Mileena and RedRaptor10

 

[xXstealthflameXx]

I find the Raven match to be really dry personally, she can tele grab deathstroke on blocked guns, but deathstroke can gunshot tele grabs on block too. It's a really slow paced match unless someone gets the knockdown.

Oh we weren't talking about Raven vs DS, just those characters vs the cast.

 

[PND_Ketchup]

Oh we weren't talking about Raven vs DS, just those characters vs the cast.

Ahhhhhhhhhh no problem bro, you can just spam grabs anyway.

I cant even do the combo i do.

 

[xXstealthflameXx]

Off topic: thats the thing. While you're waiting for what the person MIGHT do, they can do other things, such as go into trait or backdash, which effectively negates your last forward dash. I'm really not trying to theory fight, but this is the shit that REALLY happens when you play people like Mr. Mileena and RedRaptor10

Yeah I know it's difficult, but it's possible. She doesn't do amazing chip. If you saw Blind Man at EVO, people were just impatient when he was doing pillars. Most of the cast has a projectile/ranged move anyway, and there are some with teleports.

 

[G4S Silent Jay]

Because then that leaves the Raven/DS player to do whatever they want because you have to sit in fear of a soul crush/DS gunshots. Its not as black and white as "wait for them to throw move x out, then dash/advance forward". While you're "waiting" for them to throw the move out they are dashing backwards to put more space between you, putting other moves on the screen, or waiting for you to move so they can throw these moves that are "easy" to advance on with a greater likelihood of hitting you. Getting on on these characters is harder than people want to admit, especially when the person playing them knows what they're doing and isn't braindead.

A solid DS player isn't going to just throw out gunshots all day anyway. Well, with the exception of a few MUs where that's really your best option (Hawkgirl and Grundy being prime examples). The issue comes in where people aren't taking advantage off the free dash they get from any blocked/wiffed shots and then instead of admitting they fucked up, suddenly the character is broken and needs to be nerfed to hell (such as with Scorpion and "no block button" when the down button actually functions as a block button for that move... But I REALLY don't wanna open up that can of worms again).

Even in MUs where DS does have a much easier time zoning, if they opponent is patient and actually plays the MU instead of trying to just rush in and hit buttons like an idiot, they WILL get in, and while DS does have good normal options to hold his own in most situations, they're not as good as any of the better rush-down/mix-up characters.

The point is, zoning with DS isn't braindead unless the person they're playing against is braindead. So there's nothing "unfair" or "bullshit" about it.



/mini-rant

 

[ryublaze]

Off topic: thats the thing. While you're waiting for what the person MIGHT do, they can do other things, such as go into trait or backdash, which effectively negates your last forward dash. I'm really not trying to theory fight, but this is the shit that REALLY happens when you play people like Mr. Mileena and RedRaptor10

lolwut

I suck at Injustice

 

[G4S Silent Jay]

Off topic: thats the thing. While you're waiting for what the person MIGHT do, they can do other things, such as go into trait or backdash, which effectively negates your last forward dash. I'm really not trying to theory fight, but this is the shit that REALLY happens when you play people like Mr. Mileena and RedRaptor10

If a DS traits and you don't punish the shit out of it, or at the very least make him completely waste his trait and let you in.... You dun fucked up.

With the exception of his trait set-up, but that leaves you like, RIGHT in front of him anyway (as I recall it's his only way to activate trait safely).



Also, hopefully it comes across I don't mean "you" as in you specifically, just as a general term. I forget the internet can be a difficult place to communicate properly at times and I'm not lookin to start shit with people, just talk about some games.

 

[Killphil]

Nah, I was more or less referring to Raven's trait in that sense. But DS players can just wait an extra second to throw out a gunshot and take advantage of someone's hesitation to move. Injustice is much like MK in the sense that if you aren't attacking you're losing. The more you let someone else put their moves on the screen the more you're playing their game and not your own. That's just the nature of some match ups.

 

[Vilén]

I love how so many "casual" players bitch about Deathstroke's guns as if the character was designed with some other group in mind.

My biggest disappointment with the this game hit me like a month into it when I realized that the zoning isn't "strong", it's just designed so people who are knew to the game/actively try to not learn it can just fart fireballs all over the screen with WAY better results than a lot of other fighters vs. other people who are also dumb as rocks.

So there's my contribution to yet another online fuckery thread that's just pages and pages of people making one of two posts over and over.

 

[G4S Silent Jay]

Sounds about right. My teammate I usually play with realized his best bet if I'm not doing anything is to do something of his own because I'm not actually a threat if I'm not throwing out gunshots or mix-ups.

Although dashing into a Quick Fire and taking a quick 2-6 to the face is never fun... But full-screen with Deathstroke, if you're not trying to advance forward, you're losing (unless you're KF or Aquaman who can just punish low-shots from that distance).

 

[juicepouch]

Ive also gotten hate mail for zoning with the joker the freakin joker ppl!!!! But add me on ps3 AKAS1ckwititxHD

I swear the other day I got real live hatemail from a Batman for outzoning him with Shazam

 

[juicepouch]

Seriously dude...why can't people wait for a Soul Crush to dash? No patience what so ever...

I get blown up by Ravens every so often because I have to see her moves a few times before I can remember when they're active or not, which leads me to my main point: A lot of people don't remember and just don't like learning things, they want everyone to pick Batman or GL or Supes so they know what they can do and then stand in front of each other and F23 and B23 and Lazer and shit. When you pick a character like Raven and lead them like a lamb to slaughter, they get pissed and quit instead of learning how to fight the character

 

[TaffyMeat]

All characters with guns should run out of bullets or Batman should have his gun break move from BAC

 

[skateblind]

All characters with guns should run out of bullets or Batman should have his gun break move from BAC

Why?

 

[Jaku2011]

I don't know guys I think vanilla SF4 got me the most nasty hatemail when I played Fuerte.

 

[G4S Silent Jay]

All characters with guns should run out of bullets or Batman should have his gun break move from BAC

If not Sarcasm/Trolling then inroically enough, CoD is the game for you.

 

[Akae47]

That makes no sense. So when a match up let me say is 7-3 in DS favor, it's fine for ppl to quit?
Stuff like this never / rarely happens in any other fighting game I have played ( SSF4, SCV, KoF13, Tekken, BlazBlue, DoA5 etc ).
There will always be uphill match ups, but this is still no reason for sending a hatemail or rage-quit.
I always play strong players and randoms as well in any other fighting game and like I
said this never / rarely happens.
But when I play strong players / randoms in IGAU this happens all day long.

And besides this has nothing to do with "if you do nothing but spam guns and then there is nothing wrong when ppl quit vs me" no matter how I play ppl rage-quit vs me on a consistent basis.
I do actually try to rushdown players in match ups I can do so.
Ppl who have played me so far know this.

You know what ppl tell me?
"DS is too OP" even in this patch when they pick BA, Superman or Aquaman and some of these players are actually rly good at this game and yet they do RQ whenever they notice that they can't win the match anymore. Look up the highest ranked Batman player on the leaderboards filphil95 or the highest ranked Doomsday player fullgore, both are really solid at this game and have some strong knowledge about their characters and match ups, yet they rage quit and sending hatemail vs me every single time.


I will give kudos to Ryumanjisen and T-Pod from TYM though for actually showing some sportsmanship and beeing great players as well, although T-Pod did send me a hatemail at first, but we cleared up the whole thing after a FT10.

I feel for you bro. I know actually what you go through I play WW. People do hate when they get b2 constantly over and over. Its not my fault they keep crouching in front of me.I get hatemails, ragequits and people ducking me in both 1v1 and KOTH matches. I just find people here on TYM and I now play offline mostly.

I will never understand why people expect you to play their way. They expect you to abide by some ridiculous "honor code" which involves you not using the strengths of your character. Its truly asinine and pathetic regardless if you're casual or not. People want DS players not to use guns, Superman players not to use Eye Lasers or F23. I had a KF player send me hate mail for blocking damn near all her slides......... I even witnessed internet scum say that its cheating to grab with Grundy and went on to rage quit from the KOTH lobby.

Once again I feel ya pain bro. Hopefully you can find some people who can take their losses like they take their wins.

 

[Dog With A Beer]

"Who's higher? Doomsday? Alright, I'll give you that one but I can't think of anybody else who can do such complete BASICS and win the majority of their games. Scorpion could do that before he got nerfed but he's useless now. People like Superman, Green Lantern, Batman, etc are weak as fuck in comparison. They actually have to do work to win."

What is this? I don't even.... wut?

 

[Deleted member 9158]

Well, there are TONS of casuals playing this game that don't understand how to beat DS, and instead get frustrated and quit. I admit, I did that early on in the game. But now, if I get beat by Deathstroke I know I was outplayed or didn't play smart enough. I play Grundy, and people usually rage quit after being trait grabbed 20 times in a few games. It was much, much worse in MK9, if you ever played that.

Don't play randoms online, play people from here. It's a much better experience that way

 

[A New Angel Is Advent]

I wish people would ragequit me more. 90% just dodge at the challenge screen. I wish more people would here would add me for online sessions because I played like 2 good people out of 600. I can't improve and I get bored online. Plus I get away with scrubby tactics. Hahlp meh