Strategy Whiff Punishing Black Adam's Lightning Strike

[xInfra Deadx]

on reaction.

21 frame teleport. Does not compute.

 

[Qwark28]

21 frame teleport. Does not compute.

look at the recovery of lightning strike and tell me you cant teleport after you jump it and d1 sword full combo

 

[xInfra Deadx]

look at the recovery of lightning strike and tell me you cant teleport after you jump it and d1 sword full combo

The teleport duration takes a bit too long and I already have to be a master jedi to try to punish with a 13 frame trait projectile.

 

[Qwark28]

The teleport duration takes a bit too long and I already have to be a master jedi to try to punish with a 13 frame trait projectile.

its not 13, its about 16-8

teleport 21f + 10f recovery is 31f, d1 is 6 so thats 37 frames against the 46 recovery frames on whiff for the lightning

 

[1man3letters]

on reaction.

lighting strike 26 frame start up,
teleport 20 frame start up.
no human is doing that on reaction, its a read.
jumping and punishing in the recovery frames is a totally different situation.

 

[Qwark28]

lighting strike 26 frame start up,
teleport 20 frame start up.
no human is doing that on reaction, its a read.
jumping and punishing in the recovery frames is a totally different situation.

read the rest of my posts.

startup is 26, you jump on the first few and you land at the same time the startup is over.

 

[smokey]

read the rest of my posts.

startup is 26, you jump on the first few and you land at the same time the startup is over.

Just saying dude- jumping is floaty and in no way 20 frames

 

[Qwark28]

Just saying dude- jumping is floaty and in no way 20 frames

you can at least force BA to block the d1, either way you get in for free against the best antizoner in the game because he threw a projectile.

 

[1man3letters]

read the rest of my posts.

startup is 26, you jump on the first few and you land at the same time the startup is over.

i did read them, ares's jump 1/2 dont reach reach full screen like lighting strike does, that only comes into play at jump distance and even then MB lighting strike can catch people just jumping depending on spacing as im sure you already no.
not saying ares cant punish it, my point just is no ares is teleporting on reaction to it like you suggested in another post, thats all im saying

 

[Qwark28]

i did read them, ares's jump 1/2 dont reach reach full screen like lighting strike does, that only comes into play at jump distance and even then MB lighting strike can catch people just jumping depending on spacing as im sure you already no.
not saying ares cant punish it, my point just is no ares is teleporting on reaction to it like you suggested in another post, thats all im saying

im talking about jumping then teleporting when you hit the ground

 

[1man3letters]

im talking about jumping then teleporting when you hit the ground

MB lighting ggs to trying to jump, its no were as easy as your making out but i dont need to get into a big discussion about it, its cool

 

[Qwark28]

MB lighting ggs to trying to jump, its no were as easy as your making out but i dont need to get into a big discussion about it, its cool

how is mb lightning gonna catch you after you jump the first lightning lol? all you literally have to do is jump and teleport

 

[1man3letters]

how is mb lightning gonna catch you after you jump the first lightning lol? all you literally have to do is jump and teleport

the 2nd or more normally 3rd part of MB lighting can catch jumps, so if u try to jump and a mb happens you get hit,
like i said it reads not reactions, on both players part

 

[ShadowBeatz]

Can't test it because I'm not home, but I'm pretty sure Lex can jump and Air Corps Charge. I'm also really curious if he can jump and Gravity Pull. I'll check when I get home (unless someone checks for me). Might be able to jump and trait up as well...

Ooooo man the wheels are spinning

 

[Briggs8417]

I can't believe people are just talking about this four months after the game's release. You want to nerf him, but yet don't even fully understand what his weaknesses are. Not saying nerfs aren't justified, but it just goes to show how you all cry before even really delving into anything.

 

[Qwark28]

the 2nd or more normally 3rd part of MB lighting can catch jumps, so if u try to jump and a mb happens you get hit,
like i said it reads not reactions, on both players part

the hitbox for all mb lightning strikes are the same. once you jump lightning on reaction it will not catch you. this has been done vs me a lot of times in offline casuals, there is no read

 

[smokey]

I can't believe people are just talking about this four months after the games release. You want to nerf him, but yet don't even fully understand what his weaknesses are. Not saying nerfs aren't justified, but it just goes to show how you all cry before even really delving into anything.

Said this day 1 about Take2Chance.

4 months later TYM goes into training mode with Black Adam and says what the BA forum has known from the beginning.

 

[LaR]

you can at least force BA to block the d1, either way you get in for free against the best antizoner in the game because he threw a projectile.

nope up get full combo punished if you try teleport after a wiffed lighting

 

[Qwark28]

nope up get full combo punished if you try teleport after a wiffed lighting

frame data does not support this, 26 and 46 frames are posted earlier for lightning, teleport itself is 32 full frames, if a forward jump is 40 frames youre face to face at neutral.

 

[1man3letters]

the hitbox for all mb lightning strikes are the same. once you jump lightning on reaction it will not catch you. this has been done vs me a lot of times in offline casuals, there is no read

man i said i didnt get in big discussion over this.
all i said was u cant teleport lighting on reaction, u also had the recovery frames of ares teleport wrong, off by 9 frames.
if u jump either normal or mb lighting and it doesnt hit u if u teleport ares gets punished. the method you describing for ares to punish is wrong.
dont just go by frame data, go by playing it.

 

[Qwark28]

man i said i didnt get in big discussion over this.
all i said was u cant teleport lighting on reaction, u also had the recovery frames of ares teleport wrong, off by 9 frames.
if u jump either normal or mb lighting and it doesnt hit u if u teleport ares gets punished. the method you describing for ares to punish is wrong.
dont just go by frame data, go by playing it.

how - is ares after a teleport then?

im not talking about teleport on reaction, im saying you need to jump over lightning first.

 

[1man3letters]

how - is ares after a teleport then?

im not talking about teleport on reaction, im saying you need to jump over lightning first.

start up 20, recovery 19
read the post your just quoted, its talking about what happens if u jump the over lighting and teleport, ares gets punished

 

[smokey]

how - is ares after a teleport then?

im not talking about teleport on reaction, im saying you need to jump over lightning first.

Youre underestimating the frame data of jumps. You cant jump and land in 20 frames.

 

[LaR]

frame data does not support this, 26 and 46 frames are posted earlier for lightning, teleport itself is 32 full frames, if a forward jump is 40 frames youre face to face at neutral.

your not taking into account the frames it takes to react to something which is about 20. and even you happen to jump on the the first frame of lighting you still get punished or are forced to block

 

[Qwark28]

start up 20, recovery 19
read the post your just quoted, its talking about what happens if u jump the over lighting and teleport, ares gets punished

Youre underestimating the frame data of jumps. You cant jump and land in 20 frames.

so basically

20 and 19 is 39

Lightning startup is 26 and 46 recovery is 72

jump on the first 10 frames of startup and we end up with 49

so if jumps arent about 29f you're punished i guess