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Crathen

Crathen

Death is my business
In all honesty , i think players should stop asking / suggesting buffs / fixes / nerfs for now , NRS has brains thinking about it , it should not be in the community hands to make or break a game , it's whatever NRS wants it to be , it has happend before that FGs opened to community suggestions became kinda shitty in the end.

Only thing we know is that in 6 max 8 months from now on the patching will be over as NRS on Injustice and we'll have a final version of the game, then we could judge the game for his balance and whatever.

Either trust or don't trust NRS.
 
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187x

Noob
universal changes that will make the game so much better and more fun

-Faster walkspeed
-stance specific combos gone
-another d2 buff will be great
-fix the auto correct on wakeups
-balance interactables
 
SonicBoomBrad

SonicBoomBrad

Best Doomsday in the world
You want to nerf Doomsday more? What? 2 points of armor on MB venom would help him a lot in match ups he gets destroyed in (Batman being an example). Either that or just give me more combo ability please. That being said anyone who thinks Doomsday needs more nerfs honestly can't fight the character and hasn't bothered to learn the match up. Like seriously, fucking Superman and Batman exist. Leave my character alone.

EDIT: If you give me the option to pick which side the opponent goes after and AA grab I will love you forever. NRS pls.
 
Duck Nation

Duck Nation

Dicks with a future
Here, let me make a useful post.

Characters who have all the tools they need to win any match
Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Deathstroke, Aquaman, Batgirl, Nightwing, Catwoman, Black Adam, Killer Frost, Doomsday, Flash, Green Lantern, Cyborg

Characters who perform well in most matches, but have a very difficult time against a select handful
Hawkgirl, Sinestro, Ares, Lex, Bane, Grundy

Characters who lack the tools they need to win consistently in most of their matches
Shazam, Joker, Lobo

THE SECOND TWO GROUPS ARE WHO PEOPLE SHOULD BE FOCUSING ON. Pick out the bad matchups for the people in the second group, and consider how to adjust the third to find ways for them to play their game effectively.

I'm aware I did not place Raven, Arrow, Harley, MMH, Zod or Scorpion, and it's because I don't feel I - I mean this in a direct and personal sense - have enough information to place them on that list. Somebody no doubt does, and should.

Edit: And please refrain from the urge to throw ad hominem insults at me if you think I've misplaced somebody. I'm not perfect, and it won't be productive.
 
A F0xy Grampa

A F0xy Grampa

Problem X Promotions
general m2dave said:
What? I am the only Deathstroke player who made suggestions.

You are just mad people are suggesting that the OTG be removed.
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Yeah rightfully so too, you guys have NO clue about my character, yet can still be the judge jury and executioner?

People still aren't even recognising her shield stance as a thing, I'm pretty sure it'd be something you'd hate.

On top of that, the OTG isnt the move that could possibly be justified for a nerf. She has another move thats pretty powerful/annoying that everybody just seems to completely let slide. But, it works to her design pretty well.
 
SonicBoomBrad

SonicBoomBrad

Best Doomsday in the world
Duck Nation said:
Here, let me make a useful post.
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Grundy should be in your first tier IMO.

Edit: so should Sinestro. But those are just my opinions.

A F0xy Grampa said:
Yeah rightfully so too, you guys have NO clue about my character, yet can still be the judge jury and executioner?

People still aren't even recognising her shield stance as a thing, I'm pretty sure it'd be something you'd hate.
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From my experience practicing with Slayer all the time I can say the only things I really think should be changed on her is her frame advantage off d12 and her ability to juggle after an uppercut that trades. Otherwise she's pretty balanced. Even though her parry is the bane of my existence.
 
TJ Casters

TJ Casters

Noob
A F0xy Grampa said:
Yeah rightfully so too, you guys have NO clue about my character, yet can still be the judge jury and executioner?

People still aren't even recognising her shield stance as a thing, I'm pretty sure it'd be something you'd hate.
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Not executioner... these are just suggestions.
These aren't the patch notes. We have no power over balance patches.
If you feel something is wrong, then fix it.
Educate them.
 
F

Fred Marvel

It's actually Freddy Marvel
Duck Nation said:
Here, let me make a useful post.

Characters who have all the tools they need to win any match
Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Deathstroke, Aquaman, Batgirl, Nightwing, Catwoman, Black Adam, Killer Frost, Doomsday, Flash, Green Lantern, Cyborg

Characters who perform well in most matches, but have a very difficult time against a select handful
Hawkgirl, Sinestro, Ares, Lex, Bane, Grundy

Characters who lack the tools they need to win consistently in most of their matches
Shazam, Joker, Lobo

THE SECOND TWO GROUPS ARE WHO PEOPLE SHOULD BE FOCUSING ON. Pick out the bad matchups for the people in the second group, and consider how to adjust the third to find ways for them to play their game effectively.

I'm aware I did not place Raven, Arrow, Harley, MMH, Zod or Scorpion, and it's because I don't feel I - I mean this in a direct and personal sense - have enough information to place them on that list. Somebody no doubt does, and should.

Edit: And please refrain from the urge to throw ad hominem insults at me if you think I've misplaced somebody. I'm not perfect, and it won't be productive.
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Green Lantern belongs in the 2nd category
 
Duck Nation

Duck Nation

Dicks with a future
Aaaand I replied before the edit about Sinestro. Wound Cowboy tells me Sinestro loses very badly to Killer Frost and Aquaman.
 
SonicBoomBrad

SonicBoomBrad

Best Doomsday in the world
Duck Nation said:
I was half expecting somebody to tell me to put Grundy in the third group - I think the way I have them arranged is definitely not something we should be calling "tiers" either.

At any rate, I'm only going off what I hear the Grundy community say. For example: http://testyourmight.com/members/rdk-tyrant.2656/#profile-post-95838
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I play him all the time. ;) I think either Grundy should be in the first group or Doomsday should be in the 2nd.

Fred Marvel said:
Green Lantern belongs in the 2nd category
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No. Just no. He's debatable top 5, for sure top 8.

Edit: DD loses really bad to Batman and Supes. Horribly to Supes. Like I've never called a match up 7-3 in my life, but it's probably a 7-3.
 
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Fred Marvel

It's actually Freddy Marvel
Duck Nation said:
I absolutely can't agree with that. I don't think I've ever heard a GL player claim he loses anything badly enough to need a sub.
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WHAT? Superman, Cyborg, Raven, Batman, Sinestro can be really bad too, DS is bad but manageable.
GL has plenty of bad MU's and gets raped by zoning he has no tools to deal with it
 
Duck Nation

Duck Nation

Dicks with a future
SonicBoomBrad said:
I play him all the time. ;) I think either Grundy should be in the first group or Doomsday should be in the 2nd.
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Tyrant being in your community was actually precisely why I picked his post to link. I figured if you wanted more details, you could ask him, because it's not like I know what the fuck I'm talking about when it comes to Grundy. I'm only trying to organize based on what I've learned from other competent players, because the only character I know from personal usage and experience is Deathstroke.

Who do you figure Doomsday gets bopped by?
 
F

Fred Marvel

It's actually Freddy Marvel
SonicBoomBrad said:
No. Just no. He's debatable top 5, for sure top 8.

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NO.
Supes
Bats
Adam
Aqua
WW
Flash
Batgirl
all decisively better characters than GL then the argument can be made for a few others like DS, DD, Zod, GA etc
there is no way he is top 5 and he might be #10 or 9 at the highest
 
TJ Casters

TJ Casters

Noob
Fred Marvel said:
WHAT? Superman, Cyborg, Raven, Batman, Sinestro can be really bad too, DS is bad but manageable.
GL has plenty of bad MU's and gets raped by zoning he has no tools to deal with it
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I've never had any problems with GL, but I play most of the cast so I may not know him very well.
 
TakeAChance

TakeAChance

TYM White Knight
I stopped reading at "Nightwing staff spin nerfed to +6" and "Batman - No adjustments".

Lets just let pako and the boys do the adjustments...because half of these suggestions are based around people who don't play the characters, and protecting the ones they do play.

How many top 8 Majors has Nightwing been in?

This is what I was worried about...people are freaking the fuck out about a character because he has frame traps. There is a mechanic in this game designed to negate those frame traps. If we are going to make EX Staff Spin +6, lets make Doomsdays EX Venom +1

Same concept here and it's moronic.

Nightwing is a character that is not top 10. Not anymore. When the game first launched he was. Now there are too many other good characters to place him there. He is just outside of top 10.

If you want to give me a 7f d1 or 8f f2 in escrima, Nerf staff all you want. Hell, how about an anti air that isn't slow as balls? (escrima)

Let's just keep neutering Nightwing while Wonderwoman who has the exact same shit (in regards to her d1) except she does MUCH more damage meterless and has an OTG...
 
Jimmypotato

Jimmypotato

Mid Tier
I honestly don't think anyone should be Nerfed or Buffed until ALL the DLC is out,

Then you know what everyone is working with, need to let the game breath too before you do anything drastic.

Things like Zods Trait should be fixed though.

And non of this FIX THIS SHIT CAUSE IT WIFFS ON CERTAIN CHARACTERS. Thats the nature of fighting games, something things work on certain characters, some things dont.
 
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