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[REQUEST] Red Hood for DLC

should Red Hood be DLC


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SWonder916

When's DragonBall?
People can deny it all they want but it actually is a very clever hint.
Yea it is actually,and the more i think on it the happier i'm getting. My educated guess based on these clues,etc is that Jason actually did win the 'unofficial' poll and is soon going to be revealed as the next DLC character
 
Again, the mathematical character in a fighting game equation does not exist because fighters are made by humans with limitations, not infinitely powerful robots. The things that you use in your calculations to determine who deserves it more do not match up to things like, technical limitations, developer know how, and plain old desire to do it.

I feel like I'm trapped in a time warp on this. Remember when Black Adam was DEFINITELY going to be a skin because he's absolutely identical to Shazam? Remember when Sinestro was PROBABLY going to be a skin because he's similar to GL? Remember when YOLO Lantern was NOT going to be a skin because fear constructs and will constructs aren't the same?

You fall back on the MMH defense, but despite being a founding member of the JL, hugely popular, and having a very distinct load of powers, he was actually slated to miss the game entirely. Meanwhile, Killer Frost and Ares (who have the combined relevance of a painted rock) take up rather comfortable reserved spots in the main cast.

Like I said, anything you say validates the Hood, or whoever, I will turn against you. Popularity, varied power sets, a high selling book, none of it is a silver bullet because NRS (unlike Capcom w/ Marvel) was free to basically make the game they wanted with the characters they wanted.
But it does actually.... There are valid reasons for every single character you mentioned. Good and relevant ones. I literally just said it's not an equation. There is no science, I'm not claiming that. But there is some reasoning behind all of those choices and it's not all that hard to see. Plus all of those examples were before the game came out. Wayyyyyyy before. These characters are supposedly ones that have been asked for the most since the announcement of the game has come out. So fan demand has BECOME a factor. It wasn't before, it is now.
 

14K

Kombatant
Yea it is actually,and the more i think on it the happier i'm getting. My educated guess based on these clues,etc is that Jason actually did win the 'unofficial' poll and is soon going to be revealed as the next DLC character
See See... i might gringe my teeth everytime someone bad mouths red hood, but you have to admite i do bring me some clever info onto this threat... actually his hints justify both characters to be honest... but lets brake it down..

"The Cars" hint: Zatanna - The cars have a song called "magic" so its a point infavor.
Red Hood - Jason Todd Was first discovered by Batman while trying to steal the Batmobiles Tires...

Upside down hint: Zatanna - all her spells are versed upside down or backwards and her name in the Earth 3 is written upside down as Annataz Arataz
Red Hood - the Upside down could mean the reference to under the Hood ( the animation that make Jason Todd imensly popular)

Need to wait on more hints, but used to Boon like i am he will pick something that will confirm neither of them and can go for both
 

SWonder916

When's DragonBall?
Hmm,interesting..yea I admittedly dont know Zatanna all that well to be able to decipher the hints in her favor. Good stuff,but my money's still on Hood tho,his references compared to the clues make a better case IMO..we all shall see but I REALLY hope Jason makes it in this game
 

gosoxtim

Dojo Trainee
See See... i might gringe my teeth everytime someone bad mouths red hood, but you have to admite i do bring me some clever info onto this threat... actually his hints justify both characters to be honest... but lets brake it down..

"The Cars" hint: Zatanna - The cars have a song called "magic" so its a point infavor.
Red Hood - Jason Todd Was first discovered by Batman while trying to steal the Batmobiles Tires...

Upside down hint: Zatanna - all her spells are versed upside down or backwards and her name in the Earth 3 is written upside down as Annataz Arataz
Red Hood - the Upside down could mean the reference to under the Hood ( the animation that make Jason Todd imensly popular)

Need to wait on more hints, but used to Boon like i am he will pick something that will confirm neither of them and can go for both
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trufenix

bye felicia
But it does actually.... There are valid reasons for every single character you mentioned. Good and relevant ones. I literally just said it's not an equation. There is no science, I'm not claiming that. But there is some reasoning behind all of those choices and it's not all that hard to see. Plus all of those examples were before the game came out. Wayyyyyyy before. These characters are supposedly ones that have been asked for the most since the announcement of the game has come out. So fan demand has BECOME a factor. It wasn't before, it is now.
Can you honestly / quantifiably say Red Hood is somehow more demanded than anyone else? Can you prove he adds more gameplay value than anyone else? No, you can't. All you can say is, you're a fan of his, so you know better. And anyone can do that for any character. That's my point.

At the end of the day, Red Hood is no more likely or deserving than Zatanna, Blue Beetle, Swamp Thing, Static, Ivy, Power Girl, Captain Cold, Super Girl, Atrocitus, Fate, Canary, Starfire and a trillion other characters that have been begged for since Evo last year. There's literally no measurement (that matters) that grants him more likelihood. That said, there are at least a few that make him less likely.
 
Can you honestly / quantifiably say Red Hood is somehow more demanded than anyone else? Can you prove he adds more gameplay value than anyone else? No, you can't. All you can say is, you're a fan of his, so you know better. And anyone can do that for any character. That's my point.

At the end of the day, Red Hood is no more likely or deserving than Zatanna, Blue Beetle, Swamp Thing, Static, Ivy, Power Girl, Captain Cold, Super Girl, Atrocitus, Fate, Canary, Starfire and a trillion other characters that have been begged for since Evo last year. There's literally no measurement (that matters) that grants him more likelihood. That said, there are at least a few that make him less likely.
I'm not a Red Hood fan. I'd rather not have him. I'm not too bent out of shape though, I got MMH. But yes, there ARE factors that make someone more likely to be in. Also, that last sentence is contradictory because if there are factors that make some less likely, then it would make others more likely... It's not about who has more actual gameplay value (that's up to the developers and how they make him/her), it's about who seems to be more popular based on what I (and others) have seen on social media, including these forums. Is that quantifiable? No. But those are the voices that are being heard so those will be the ones that count, if any count at all.

And when people say "more deserving", they mean more popular, exposed, or have a greater standing within the fictional universe itself. The Joker "deserves" to be in this game not because he's an excellent template for a fighting game character, but because he's one of the most popular and well-recognized and well-liked fictional villains of all time.
 

Red Reaper

The Hyrax Whisperer
indeed... i main NW but he is far from my first choise of a character i really like.. i mean i enjoy him but i do feel bored at times... and MMh it took me 3 days to realize he aint that good, im just waiting for everyone else to realize it 2... so yeah

Wait... What??

MMH is good! He's just not as easy as Nightwing.
 

trufenix

bye felicia
UnadvisedGoose, I'm not talking about hypothetical comparisons. I'm talking about right now, Injustice DLC #6, 7 or 8. And I'm saying Red Hood's chances stink. Give up the generalities, give me something concrete as to why he has a shot. Give me something that flies in the face of;

No More Bats tweet / General oversaturation of Bat cast
Plot redundancy with both Dick and Damian already in game
Gameplay redundancy with six peak human ability acrobatic martial artists in game and three other gun users already in game
Not mentioned in the comic (or game) as even existing in the universe
Shitty book that nobody reads (subjective, but it ain't in any top tens I ever heard of)

The only retort I've seen from anyone in this thread is wordsmith gymnastics regarding boons tweets, the general consensus that he's "popular", and that his gameplay could be cool. Well, none of those three puts him higher in the running than Blue Beetle or Animal Man, at least they got trolled in tweets.
 
UnadvisedGoose, I'm not talking about hypothetical comparisons. I'm talking about right now, Injustice DLC #6, 7 or 8. And I'm saying Red Hood's chances stink. Give up the generalities, give me something concrete as to why he has a shot. Give me something that flies in the face of;

No More Bats tweet / General oversaturation of Bat cast
Plot redundancy with both Dick and Damian already in game
Gameplay redundancy with six peak human ability acrobatic martial artists in game and three other gun users already in game
Not mentioned in the comic (or game) as even existing in the universe
Shitty book that nobody reads (subjective, but it ain't in any top tens I ever heard of)

The only retort I've seen from anyone in this thread is wordsmith gymnastics regarding boons tweets, the general consensus that he's "popular", and that his gameplay could be cool. Well, none of those three puts him higher in the running than Blue Beetle or Animal Man, at least they got trolled in tweets.
Who do you want?
 
UnadvisedGoose, I'm not talking about hypothetical comparisons. I'm talking about right now, Injustice DLC #6, 7 or 8. And I'm saying Red Hood's chances stink. Give up the generalities, give me something concrete as to why he has a shot. Give me something that flies in the face of;

No More Bats tweet / General oversaturation of Bat cast
Plot redundancy with both Dick and Damian already in game
Gameplay redundancy with six peak human ability acrobatic martial artists in game and three other gun users already in game
Not mentioned in the comic (or game) as even existing in the universe
Shitty book that nobody reads (subjective, but it ain't in any top tens I ever heard of)

The only retort I've seen from anyone in this thread is wordsmith gymnastics regarding boons tweets, the general consensus that he's "popular", and that his gameplay could be cool. Well, none of those three puts him higher in the running than Blue Beetle or Animal Man, at least they got trolled in tweets.
I agree with you, man. I don't think he'll be #6, at least. It seems to be leaning towards Zatanna or Dr. Fate. And I DEFINITELY don't think Red Hood is iconic enough to be a shoe in. This whole time I've just been trying to point out that there ARE people who have greater chances than others and those that do "deserve" a spot, and there can be somewhat logical reasons for that. I wouldn't personally put Red Hood in that category. But from the voices I've seen on Twitter, Facebook, and even here (though here is a very small percentage), then I wouldn't be too terribly shocked if Red Hood makes it in at some point, if popularity is actually some sort of factor in determining this batch of DLC. I'd much rather have Black Manta, but not everyone can get what they want.
 

trufenix

bye felicia
Who do you want?
Want? Honestly, I try not to think about it. I'm in it for the gameplay and story underneath the characters, not the mask and cape they dress it in. I've played too many of these games, I guess. I've been impressed with every single character they've included (save Frost, and to a significantly lesser extent Cyborg) so I'm confident they'll do whoever they pick justice.

But to actually pick? A true blue martial artist would be nice. Question, Shiva, Dick Dragon, even gimmicks like Katana or Canary or Huntress. If we have to have another magician, I'd rather have someone with a clearly defined shtick, like Constantine or Fate than someone completely open ended like Zatanna. And if we have to have another caped super powered douchebag, I'd rather have them do something i nteresting with it like turn Power Girl into a grappler or give super girl some cool fly around the world agility type powers, I think its kind of shitty Flash is the only character in the game who actually utilizes speed in his battle plan despite the fact that so much of the cast have super or semi-super speed on their resumes.

But again, I love everyone in the game. Except Frost, fuck her. I feel Scorpion misfired to a degree as well, but as a distinct member of the cast, I feel he works.

Edit: And Atrocitus. Or even Guy Gardner, if its gotta be a hero. I feel the game is really missing that feral kill'm'all element. Too many thinkers and planners.
 

Niko Mar

Founding Member of the Fate Army
Lol, first all these guys are saying Zatanna is definitely in and now people are starting to come over here just to say Red Hood has no chance. Everyone of these guys are going to flip their shit when Red Hood's announced next.
UnadvisedGoose, I'm not talking about hypothetical comparisons. I'm talking about right now, Injustice DLC #6, 7 or 8. And I'm saying Red Hood's chances stink. Give up the generalities, give me something concrete as to why he has a shot. Give me something that flies in the face of;

No More Bats tweet / General oversaturation of Bat cast
Plot redundancy with both Dick and Damian already in game
Gameplay redundancy with six peak human ability acrobatic martial artists in game and three other gun users already in game
Not mentioned in the comic (or game) as even existing in the universe
Shitty book that nobody reads (subjective, but it ain't in any top tens I ever heard of)

The only retort I've seen from anyone in this thread is wordsmith gymnastics regarding boons tweets, the general consensus that he's "popular", and that his gameplay could be cool. Well, none of those three puts him higher in the running than Blue Beetle or Animal Man, at least they got trolled in tweets.
No more bats tweet = No BAT-wing, man-BAT, BAT-anything because Boon is troll.
Plot redundancy - how so?
Gameplay redundancy - When asked who you want, you said a martial artist so hypocrite much?
Not mentioned in comic - Was Zod, Batgirl, Lobo, or Scorpion in the comic?
 

FrozenG3oX

<3 gimmicks
Lets be honest...Zatanna would be soo damn boring...she can't fight, i dont care what anyone says. But if its Red Hood or Dr Fate, dude they could make their gameplay so fun, especially Fate, his combos could be very flashy. Fuck Zatanna....
 

14K

Kombatant
I like your style...
Thats bro ;) LOL

Wait... What??

MMH is good! He's just not as easy as Nightwing.
I said this on the MMh fórum and im gonna say hre so ppl dont miss understand me when i say MMh aint that good... Mmh is a very good character no argument there, but he doesnt eexcel at anything in particular and here is why:
his Zonning i poor, mainly cause of the added buffer window they have for you to pick what distance you whant your projectile to go... what does this mean, it means that it has longer activation frames, so lets say a NW or a Batman is Dashin his way to your face, if you dont spend meter you will not be able to keep him out with none of his projectiles.
Hisw backdash is very bad in my opinion, makes for speed escapes very hard since after the backdash he is stationary for a "long" period of time.
His air Mobility or lets say air dash is not as great as other flyers in the game, and after playing him since he came out spending meter for na added dash is pointless most of the times...
His rush down is lacking a lot of things... Many of his strings have holes in them making it eazy for such characters like Aquaman to somply D2 inbetween them..
His main tool to getting in, his teleport... is just bad and predictable the low one is heavely unsafe on block and whiff meaning its a combo extender, and the overhead on most of the times if it lands wrong he goes into this wierd pose that adds recovery frames to it meaning you will not be able to combo after you land the hit, other time if someone is dashing the hit box has bad tracking properties and it will whiff leaving you with 1000000000000 recovery frames " exageration intended"
i could say more problems with him but ill stop here to say even with all this he is still a very good character, but no where near being top 5 maybe low top 10
Can you honestly / quantifiably say Red Hood is somehow more demanded than anyone else? Can you prove he adds more gameplay value than anyone else? No, you can't. All you can say is, you're a fan of his, so you know better. And anyone can do that for any character. That's my point.

At the end of the day, Red Hood is no more likely or deserving than Zatanna, Blue Beetle, Swamp Thing, Static, Ivy, Power Girl, Captain Cold, Super Girl, Atrocitus, Fate, Canary, Starfire and a trillion other characters that have been begged for since Evo last year. There's literally no measurement (that matters) that grants him more likelihood. That said, there are at least a few that make him less likely.
You miss the point of this DLC set of characters complitly, its about pleasing the fans with characters they want to see regardless if they add to the game or not.. is Red Hood more Deserving, no he is not more deserving cause this is a matter of tastes so he is for me but then the next guy will say he is not and Atrocitus for instance is... this is not the point.... the point here is he is the MOST requested character this game has at the moment, and yes even more requested than Zatanna "FACT"

Lets be honest...Zatanna would be soo damn boring...she can't fight, i dont care what anyone says. But if its Red Hood or Dr Fate, dude they could make their gameplay so fun, especially Fate, his combos could be very flashy. Fuck Zatanna....
I have to agree so some degree, i think she will be boring for those of us that like a very in your face gameplay, she is a stationary character meant to use spells as combat tool, so yes she seems boring to some of us but maybe, exiting for other ppl that enjoy that kind of gameplay... personally i would prefer Fate, but unfortunally this is not up to me
 
Lets be honest...Zatanna would be soo damn boring...she can't fight, i dont care what anyone says. But if its Red Hood or Dr Fate, dude they could make their gameplay so fun, especially Fate, his combos could be very flashy. Fuck Zatanna....
I used to main Raven when I first got this game. But damn she got boring and dull quick. I just had to drop her, if Zatanna plays anything like Raven I am gonna be pissed.

And to all those who are saying Red Hood skin for Deathstroke... Why is it ok to have Shazam and Black Adam in the game when they have the exact same powers, or Green Lantern and Sinestro who also have the same powers. Or even Bane and Doomsday who are both just heavy hitters with nothing unique about them (yet I'm still happy both got in). But Red Hood isn't allowed to be his own character? We have 2 lantern corps, 2 champions of the wizard Shazam but we can't have 2 gun martial artists.

Also take into account that I don't like The way Deathstroke plays in this game because he doesn't use enough martial arts.
 

14K

Kombatant
I used to main Raven when I first got this game. But damn she got boring and dull quick. I just had to drop her, if Zatanna plays anything like Raven I am gonna be pissed.

And to all those who are saying Red Hood skin for Deathstroke... Why is it ok to have Shazam and Black Adam in the game when they have the exact same powers, or Green Lantern and Sinestro who also have the same powers. Or even Bane and Doomsday who are both just heavy hitters with nothing unique about them (yet I'm still happy both got in). But Red Hood isn't allowed to be his own character? We have 2 lantern corps, 2 champions of the wizard Shazam but we can't have 2 gun martial artists.

Also take into account that I don't like The way Deathstroke plays in this game because he doesn't use enough martial arts.
Red Hood uses guns yes but in no way are they a staple for him or even a mainable weapon and DS and RH are very diferent while DS favors ranged combat based on fire arms and only uses CQC if necessary, Red Hood favors CQC as a main tool of combat and uses Guns as backup... so in a way they are the complete opposite of one another
 

Zero-Shift

B-List Hero
And to all those who are saying Red Hood skin for Deathstroke... Why is it ok to have Shazam and Black Adam in the game when they have the exact same powers, or Green Lantern and Sinestro who also have the same powers. Or even Bane and Doomsday who are both just heavy hitters with nothing unique about them (yet I'm still happy both got in). But Red Hood isn't allowed to be his own character? We have 2 lantern corps, 2 champions of the wizard Shazam but we can't have 2 gun martial artists.
I've talked about the skin option before so I'll add my two cents. First of all I've never once said you guys aren't allowed to get your own character. I've just mentioned a skin would be a nice alternative to not having him at all in any capacity should that actually happen. Apparently though a few, yourself included you'd rather not have him at all. I still don't understand this mentality and honestly, even if you oppose the skin idea, can you think of a character currently on the roster who would be better to dress up as Red Hood than Deathstroke?

Second, the reason we have Captain Marvel/Black Adam, Green Lantern/Sinestro, etc. is the exact same reason we have Batman/Joker or Superman/Lex. It's pairing heroes with their arch-nemeses. Red Hood could easily be his own character despite having similar skills/powers to another, just like in your examples. However, unlike those same examples, Red Hood doesn't have quite the same "mythos weight" if you will as the pairing a hero with one of their greatest enemies. He has a lot no doubt, being the first Robin that died and all, but then you fall back into the issue of people seeing Todd more often as just another member of the extended Bat-family, rather than a character in his own right.

So I take it you guys agree with me. Zatanna woudl be boring
Can't say for sure without trying her obviously, but she isn't the most promising candidate. Dr. Fate would be better.
 
I can't say that she's boring but I can't say I'm excited for her either. For me it's hurry up and get the fck out of the way. Zatanna is a cool character. But Red Hood has been holding his own for along time, and will never stop being requested in any DC related game now. I'm just waiting for Boon to tweet The Next one will be The most Requested.
 

FrozenG3oX

<3 gimmicks
I've talked about the skin option before so I'll add my two cents. First of all I've never once said you guys aren't allowed to get your own character. I've just mentioned a skin would be a nice alternative to not having him at all in any capacity should that actually happen. Apparently though a few, yourself included you'd rather not have him at all. I still don't understand this mentality and honestly, even if you oppose the skin idea, can you think of a character currently on the roster who would be better to dress up as Red Hood than Deathstroke?

Second, the reason we have Captain Marvel/Black Adam, Green Lantern/Sinestro, etc. is the exact same reason we have Batman/Joker or Superman/Lex. It's pairing heroes with their arch-nemeses. Red Hood could easily be his own character despite having similar skills/powers to another, just like in your examples. However, unlike those same examples, Red Hood doesn't have quite the same "mythos weight" if you will as the pairing a hero with one of their greatest enemies. He has a lot no doubt, being the first Robin that died and all, but then you fall back into the issue of people seeing Todd more often as just another member of the extended Bat-family, rather than a character in his own right.



Can't say for sure without trying her obviously, but she isn't the most promising candidate. Dr. Fate would be better.
Dr fate and hood xD