NLBC Spooky Stream Drama

[Rokinlobster]

Half of me feels like during grand finals they said something like this before their match "Dude I bet all we have to do is pick different characters and we will be accused of collusion" and then they laughed and did it just to see. Proving collusion is nearly impossible, and the new ruling has a very "Guilty until proven innocent" ring to it. Maybe they were trying to prove a point that if this new rule stands, players that have spent time learning a secret character, or maybe have a counterpick that is not well known are going to be automaticly vilified by the community for collusion when they never intended to do anything of the sort.

 

[Doombawkz]

yeah... its about one group of people trying to limit the freedom of another group of people... just like the staff of this site does to its users , i'm not surprised you support this

I have as much a freedom to demand professionals in a field do their best in the grand finals and don't collude as much as anyone else in the world does. You are trying to limit my freedom and pursuit of happiness over your petty idea of what is right and wrong based on limited and incorrect knowledge? If so, your opinion is to be taken with very very little weight. You know theres blogging sites for this kind of stuff. Posting it here, where over 6000 people tune into Spooky simply to watch players do their best, isn't the best plan overall.

 

[tataki]

these TO's and streamers...making their money off the people that come to these tournaments and play... making money off these guys... and now they are telling them what they can and can't do .... this blows my mind that anyone supports this

Viewers sitting at home getting entertainment for free and telling TO's how to run their shit...

Your word would mean something when you fund the stream and the event and sponsor the players yourself.

 

[BrokenAngels00]

Well the rule is there now, so people do. Go figure.

So don't get upset when people protest.

He plays Hakan because people don't know the MU and he won with it, being on the biggest stage and with his opponent being forced to play as Rog, the counter presented itself and he took it. That's a lot different than the first match where the opponent isn't locked and one picks everything before even seeing what the opponent is choosing.

Chris G. was locked in Yang, a character he plays, so Rog is fine has a counter. Same example (PR_Rog was locked into Rog, Infiltration countered), smaller stage.

Yes, in the same way basketball teams throw matches and people think its unprofessional.

A seasonal, team based sport with millions of fans and much more professional standards, officers, sponsers, etc. compared to a 1v1 weekly tournament (casual with little money involved).

 

[BrokenAngels00]

Viewers sitting at home getting entertainment for free and telling TO's how to run their shit...

Your word would mean something when you fund the stream and the event and sponsor the players yourself.

Viewers fund the stream through Subscribing and watching the ads.

 

[Saboteur-6]

I'm not sure to make of this because it's hard to determine clear facts from the video and comments here. I mean it's pretty obvious that Spooky didn't just "Rage" out of nowhere as it was in response to what he obviously felt was Chris G and Sanford colluding (as in agreeing to pick sub-par characters). So, it's not so much Spooky dictating who can pick what character as he's responding to the perceived intentional sandbagging. Right now, it's not clear to me whether Chris G and Sanford were intentionally picking alt's for the fuck of it or if they were legitimately trying.

Regardless, you can argue that "players play for themselves" or whatever but it's not the players that organize and run tournaments. This isn't the NFL, no one HAS to organize a damn thing. Otherwise it's just a bunch of dudes sitting around playing video games. So, if you disrespect a tournament "just because you feel like it" then don't be surprised if a TO calls you on it. Pretty common sense to me.

 

[Doombawkz]

So don't get upset when people protest.



Chris G. was locked in Yang, a character he plays, so Rog is fine has a counter. Same example (PR_Rog was locked into Rog, Infiltration countered), smaller stage.



A seasonal, team based sport with millions of fans and much more professional standards, officers, sponsers, etc. compared to a 1v1 weekly tournament (casual with little money involved).

I'm not upset about people protesting, I'm concerned over the lack of actual information being protested with.

Chris G wasn't locked in Yang until he went all the way into it before the opponent chose anything. Until then, he was free to pick anyone after Stanford did. Two entirely different situations, if he didn't go full-bano on Yang and just let it sit on costume select, he would have counter picked all the same. Stanford had his cursor on Ryu and was sitting in costume select and swapped to Rog, all the same as Chris G could have done.

Are you saying that Videogames don't have millions of fans, professional standards, sponsors, and etc? Even in casual home exhibition games where the results don't matter, throwing games or not playing to your fullest on purpose is still frowned upon and money is still pulled. I've known a guy who did so on the state basketball team, and half of his sponsors pulled out. As they said "If you can't give your fullest now, how can we expect it when it matters?".

 

[tataki]

Viewers fund the stream through Subscribing and watching the ads.

Watching ads barely makes any money for the time/investment needed to produce this content. Also the majority of people don't subscribe. It still costs way more than you are willing bring to the table.

And viewers are the ones who don't want to see random select anyway...

This is simple shit: When you are at someone's house play by the rules or get out. Want to do whatever then do it off stream or even off the event.

 

[c_brandon]

A seasonal, team based sport with millions of fans and much more professional standards, officers, sponsers, etc. compared to a 1v1 weekly tournament (casual with little money involved).

also, pro sports players are under real contracts and get paid no matter what... if they win or lose.... no way comparable to what happened here... the only person that gets paid ' no matter what' in tonight's situation was spooky.. and he acted totally unprofessional... all that cursing and what not..wow

 

[c_brandon]

Watching ads barely makes any money for the time/investment needed to produce this content. Also the majority of people don't subscribe. It still costs way more than you are willing bring to the table.

And viewers are the ones who don't want to see random select anyway...

then by your own logic... the issue of spooky 'losing his job' over allowing collusion is completely out the window...good job

 

[Doombawkz]

also, pro sports players are under real contracts and get paid no matter what... if they win or lose.... no way comparable to what happened here... the only person that gets paid ' no matter what' in tonight's situation was spooky.. and he acted totally unprofessional... all that cursing and what not..wow

You think Spooky actually makes a profit off of this? Also he has a contract to his sponsors on what they do and do not want put on their stream, and ALL tourney players from the moment they go into that bracket are in a contract with the TO and have to follow those rules to the letter. If they don't they get punished. And try not to criticize a grown man expressing his freedom of speech, something much more real than a freedom to pick sub-par characters in Grand Finals.

 

[Son ov Timett]

This would never happen if it were an MK9 tourney. No point of pot splitting $50.

 

[BrokenAngels00]

And viewers are the ones who don't want to see random select anyway...

I've argued plenty that it wasn't random select.

'm concerned over the lack of actual information being protested with.

Elaborate on this, I don't quite get it but I may agree with you.

Chris G wasn't locked in Yang until he went all the way into it before the opponent chose anything. Until then, he was free to pick anyone after Stanford did. Two entirely different situations, if he didn't go full-bano on Yang and just let it sit on costume select, he would have counter picked all the same. Stanford had his cursor on Ryu and was sitting in costume select and swapped to Rog, all the same as Chris G could have done.

Chris G. locked in Yang because he thought Sanford was going to pick Ryu (he was in costume select of it), who then backed out and picked Rog as a counter, because Chris couldn't switch at that point.
PR_Rog was locked into Rog through Tourney rules, and Infiltration picked Hakan as a counter.

Are you saying that Videogames don't have millions of fans, professional standards, sponsors, and etc?

Videogames as a whole do. Fighting games do not have millions of fans. They don't have incredibly high professional standards (Spooky swearing and saying "nigga" often. General vulgarity not allowed by MLG commentators). I'm going to go on the record and say that I do enjoy the laid back attitude of the FGC, and how it's more open, though you can't call that professional.

 

[tataki]

then by your own logic... the issue of spooky 'losing his job' over allowing collusion is completely out the window...good job

The stream belongs to him and whoever directly funded it. If they don't want to stream people fucking around in grand finals then they are free to choose to do it. You want to see it then go buy equipment, take a plane and stream it yourself.

If you don't support sp00ky's actions then don't watch his ads (as if he'll feel that lol)

 

[Impractical Joker]

I have as much a freedom to demand professionals in a field do their best in the grand finals and don't collude as much as anyone else in the world does. You are trying to limit my freedom and pursuit of happiness over your petty idea of what is right and wrong based on limited and incorrect knowledge? If so, your opinion is to be taken with very very little weight. You know theres blogging sites for this kind of stuff. Posting it here, where over 6000 people tune into Spooky simply to watch players do their best, isn't the best plan overall.

You literally have no right whatsoever to demand that Chris G use a specific character in grand finals. You seem to think that this local with very little cash on the line is forced to go by unwritten guidelines stating that a person shouldn't use a character they aren't maining at the time. Maybe Chris G clicked on Yang because he knew It countered all of Sanford's known characters. If I went to play against Tom Brady I would instantly choose the character that I think does best against Tom Brady without waiting for him to pick so why would Chris G not do the same if he didnt expect his opponent to pick a different character? I honestly would rather have seen them play with different characters as it makes the game more interesting and unexpected. Are you trying to take away my right to watch Chris G use his alternate in grand finals at a local?

 

[miloPKL]

if two competitors made it to the grand final - they were the best and won on the day and that is final. those two winners deserve to be in the grand final because they beat everyone. they deserve to play within the rules of the game. there are no banned characters.

Maybe they should ban known pot splitters. They're only ruining the FGC for their own gain. I'm sure unknown players would love to take first place.

or maybe those unknown players should put in some practice and you know... win?

 

[McNasty]

spooky was pissed damn son!

 

[Doombawkz]

Elaborate on this, I don't quite get it but I may agree with you.



Chris G. locked in Yang because he thought Sanford was going to pick Ryu (he was in costume select of it), who then backed out and picked Rog as a counter, because Chris couldn't switch at that point.
PR_Rog was locked into Rog through Tourney rules, and Infiltration picked Hakan as a counter.


Videogames as a whole do. Fighting games do not have millions of fans. They don't have incredibly high professional standards (Spooky swearing and saying "nigga" often. General vulgarity not allowed by MLG commentators). I'm going to go on the record and say that I do enjoy the laid back attitude of the FGC, and how it's more open, though you can't call that professional.

People who think its the character selection that is the issue.

Chris G locked in and chose his special, its not a "he might've choose Ryu" because he would've waited until the opponent picked before locking in. Instead he hastily did so without waiting, even at a basic level that's not something you do in the grand finals. You don't go off of what you 'think" you go with what you know. Chris G has won several Majors, he didn't do it by giving away all that advantage to the opponent.

Streams aren't dictated by the same standards tournament play is. Streamers can say whatever they want, but if players don't follow tourney rules then they don't get to play. If they don't follow the tourney standard set out for them, they don't get to finish their matches. When you go into a tourney you aren't a "free player", you adhere by the rules you are given or you don't play. Commonly, tournaments have a "no-fish" rule or "no-sandbagging" as it is better known now. Its become a "colluding rule", but even you know it exists. Player wants come second to tourney rules, that's plain and simple. They played fish, so they got hooked out of the water and gutted like a fish.

 

[c_brandon]

The stream belongs to him and whoever directly funded it. If they don't want to stream people fucking around in grand finals then they are free to choose to do it. You want to see it then go buy equipment, take a plane and stream it yourself.

If you don't support sp00ky's actions then don't watch his ads (as if he'll feel that lol)

so according to you, whoever buys the system at the tournament event... has the right at any time to walk up to a station of people playing and yank the cord out?

do you really believe that, because you just said it

 

[Saboteur-6]

Let me tl/dr the argument:

It's about perceived respect / disrespect.

1. Spooky felt that Chris G and Sanford sandbagged/disrespected the Grand Finals of the tournament when they picked characters they hadn't used throughout the tourney.

2. Chris G and Sanford claim that it was a "counterpicking" situation and that Spooky overreacted.


It's NOT about TO's dictating character selection to appease streams/sponsors or whatever other nonsense.

 

[Doombawkz]

You literally have no right whatsoever to demand that Chris G use a specific character in grand finals. You seem to think that this local with very little cash on the line is forced to go by unwritten guidelines stating that a person shouldn't use a character they aren't maining at the time. Maybe Chris G clicked on Yang because he knew It countered all of Sanford's known characters. If I went to play against Tom Brady I would instantly choose the character that I think does best against Tom Brady without waiting for him to pick so why would Chris G not do the same if he didnt expect his opponent to pick a different character? I honestly would rather have seen them play with different characters as it makes the game more interesting and unexpected. Are you trying to take away my right to watch Chris G use his alternate in grand finals at a local?

Because players who win at the high level have all of their character countered by one character? Also the guidelines aren't unwritten, they are tournament rules. If they want to play different characters, they can do so on their own time. Its not their money going into organizing this, so if a TO says you can't play fish, then you can't play fish. If a streamer refuses to show people playing fish on his stream because his sponsors say not to, he has the right to pull the plug and tell them to take it elsewhere. They didn't get through a single round, so its not like they stopped the final game of a best of 5. They told them to pack it up and go somewhere else, and they did. No TO came to criticize Spooky, no players rose up in rebellion.

This isn't them taking away freedoms, this is them enforcing a set of rules given to them and rules given to the players. Theres a rule against collusion, and if it wasn't obvious they wouldn't have pulled it. Chris G went Ryu, Wesker, and other in the UMVC3 finals, and no one pulled the plug. So obviously, its not an issue about using second-string. If that's true, it would have to be something else.

 

[Zoidberg747]

This would never happen if it were an MK9 tourney. No point of pot splitting $50.

The pot was like 100$, lol

 

[Saboteur-6]

The pot was like 100$, lol

It was obviously about the principle, not the pot.

 

[Zoidberg747]

It was obviously about the principle, not the pot.

I was responding to his point.

 

[c_brandon]

Because players who win at the high level have all of their character countered by one character? Also the guidelines aren't unwritten, they are tournament rules. If they want to play different characters, they can do so on their own time. .

wow, i can't believe how demented this is.... ok lets use your thinking... so who exactly decides then? basically you're suggesting that a tournament exists and The Powers that Be have prearranged what characters XYZ-player will use... and if they don't use said character, they are violating tournament rules?