NLBC Spooky Stream Drama

[Doombawkz]

Ya i mean at the end of the day spooky runs his shit.
If you dont like it dont play. Both sides did some questionable things though no doubt

Yeah well if you play fish, the guy whose job it is to show it off is going to throw it out.
He wanted sharks, the stream wanted sharks, and if they don't get sharks then the tank is empty.

 

[G4S Silent Jay]

I think this whole thing is insane honestly.

Am I alone in that I have never even heard of "colluding/collusion" until after VxG and now all of the sudden it's this major deal killing the FGC and it needs to be stopped NOW?


I've seen ChrisG pick Yang plenty of times before. Now while I'm not very big on AE personally despite playing it (just not one of my favorites), I do think it's a tad overboard to do what spooky did.

Spooky has, for a long time, been one of my favorite streamers, but to say that it's unprofessional to "collude" grand finals by picking someone other than your main at a local and then pull the plug on it and to scream at the players on the camera and loud enough to have the audio picked up from the headset? That's way overboard. I get it, he was salty about it, but to not even talk to the players about it and just retort with "I don't give a fuck what any of them have to say"?

I honestly am worried/excited that by knowing a strong counterpick to a top-players main, and locking in straight away, to let them either pick the bad MU by using their main or to counterpick with something that they're not known for, you could possibly beat them right there. Would certainly boost my chances at a local since no one has any idea of what my main or secondary characters for bad MUs are....

I was actually just talking to a friend/teammate of mine about it since we watch The Break Weekly and NLBC constantly, and since Spooky is totally fine with pot-splitting as long as it's not on his stream, he should just be straight up with them from the start:
"You guys splitting the pot" (Y/N)
If No:
Stream GF
If Yes:
"Are you guys at least gonna play the match seriously" (Y/N)
If Yes:
Stream GF
If No:
Have them play it out off-stream or just give them the money right there so they can just go.

Lets face it, with games like Marvel, which is where I think the major issue came from with VxG, I'm sorry, but that game is just boring as hell to watch recently. Now that people have all their combos down, it becomes, "Who gets the first touch gets to play out a combo video and win the match". Just gets boring as hell to watch the same teams and characters over and over doing the exact same things with almost nothing ever changing. I actually LIKE seeing top players break out some 4th/5th/joke teams and actually play those characters teams better than most anyway. Hell, for all we know, people are practicing new shit at these locals.
For the Marvel fans out there, anyone remember when Morrigan/Doom was his joke team he only pulled out at locals during GF? And now it's become this huge issue that people can't even play against for the most part and is his main team...


I get the idea behind anti-colluding for the FGC, but I feel like it's too easy to just throw that out there and DQ someone over some piety shit that the Streamer or TO could just be wrong about.

 

[c_brandon]

Here is the big kicker for everyone who is trying to justify it or say Spooky is irrational, but its been said before. I'll repeat it.

They didn't get disqualified. They didn't get kicked out. They got booted off Spooky's stream and that's literally it. Spooky owns the stream, he gets to decide whats shown on it. He stopped it early, kicked them off, and moved on. They left and played their matches somewhere else, split the pot, and no one cared.

so what you are saying is.... 2 guys come on a setup that is attached to spookys stream to play in grand finals... and mid match... if spooky doesn't like how its turning out, its OK for him to pull the cord from the console and tell them to go play somewhere else? lol you are delusional ... spooky is NOTHING without these guys showing up and us watching his stream

 

[Doombawkz]

I get the idea behind anti-colluding for the FGC, but I feel like it's too easy to just throw that out there and DQ someone over some piety shit that the Streamer or TO could just be wrong about.

No one got DQ'd though. Spooky went level 3 x-factor and snapped them both off stream, and went on to marvel.

 

[BrokenAngels00]

I appreciate Doom for speaking up and getting that thing removed - that shit was just gross, regardless of whether or not it was fake.

I'm just going to lurk and reply to things here and there, as I've moved to the iPod and gotten in bed as it's 2:41 A.M. here on the East Coast. But my final word is Balrog is probably hands down Yang's worst matchup.

 

[Enigma642]

Collusion is usually controversial. It will not be any different in the FGC. As far as whether they were pot splitting or not, who knows. We weren't there. I will say this though, it does occur and you are very naive, or haven't been around very long, if you believe it doesn't. Regardless of whether they were pot splitting in this instance or not, Spooky saw an opportunity to take a stance against it. I can't say that I blame him.

 

[Doombawkz]

so what you are saying is.... 2 guys come on a setup that is attached to spookys stream to play in grand finals... and mid match... if spooky doesn't like how its turning out, its OK for him to pull the cord from the console and tell them to go play somewhere else? lol you are delusional ... spooky is NOTHING without these guys showing up and us watching his stream

mid-match on the first round when both players are above 50% hp? Yes, the streamer has the right to do so and tell them to go play somewhere else that isn't on their stream. Once the first round ends, he can't. If either one is clearly winning, he can't. When its close and the round isn't even close to being over, he can.

 

[Immortal Kombat]

This reminds me of poker. Certain places you go to just have house rules against splitting the pot.
The important thing is to make sure the house tells the players of those rules before the game starts.
Thats the real question....was chris g made aware of this before the tourney?

 

[G4S Silent Jay]

No one got DQ'd though. Spooky went level 3 x-factor and snapped them both off stream, and went on to marvel.

Level 3 X-Factor Spooky is nothing to F*ck wit. Let's be real.

But even then, he didn't DQ them, he DQ'd AE Grand Finals, which to me, I would have honestly enjoyed watching Rog v Yang played out with those two. Then again, maybe I'm alone in not wanting to see the same few matches every single week.

 

[c_brandon]

mid-match on the first round when both players are above 50% hp? Yes, the streamer has the right to do so and tell them to go play somewhere else that isn't on their stream. Once the first round ends, he can't. If either one is clearly winning, he can't. When its close and the round isn't even close to being over, he can.

lol doombawkz... just keep us updated on what the rules are as it seems you make everything up as you go along

 

[THTB]

yeah... its about one group of people trying to limit the freedom of another group of people... just like the staff of this site does to its users , i'm not surprised you support this

And this comes out of left field for no fucking reason. If you don't like the staff and have no intentions of any actual feedback, the X button is right on the tab. No one is making you come here.

Spooky could have handled that better. But in the end, that is pretty disrespectful to all other participants.

 

[Doombawkz]

Level 3 X-Factor Spooky is nothing to F*ck wit. Let's be real.

But even then, he didn't DQ them, he DQ'd AE Grand Finals, which to me, I would have honestly enjoyed watching Rog v Yang played out with those two. Then again, maybe I'm alone in not wanting to see the same few matches every single week.

Spooky has casted for years now, he didn't act without reason. Even you know he has been around for enough of both players matches to tell when something is not kosher.

 

[BrokenAngels00]

Collusion is usually controversial. It will not be any different in the FGC. As far as whether they were pot splitting or not, who knows. We weren't there. I will say this though, it does occur and you are very naive, or haven't been around very long, if you believe it doesn't. Regardless of whether they were pot splitting in this instance or not, Spooky saw an opportunity to take a stance against it. I can't say that I blame him.

It's not really about the pot-splitting, it's about not playing to their full potential. Which is where the line gets cloudy, considering the unknown players go to weeklies to get known, while the pros go to weekly to test tech and play around.

 

[c_brandon]

Level 3 X-Factor Spooky is nothing to F*ck wit. Let's be real.

But even then, he didn't DQ them, he DQ'd AE Grand Finals, which to me, I would have honestly enjoyed watching Rog v Yang played out with those two. Then again, maybe I'm alone in not wanting to see the same few matches every single week.

yeah, there is something else at play here... and this isn't the first time Spooky has gotten involved with a tournament in a way he shouldn't have... he's a streamer, he shouldn't be a center of attention in the actual tournament

 

[booivi]

So...Chris G has mentioned that he won't be showing up weekly anymore?? , I honestly think Spooky made a dick move. You can tell he's taking his anger on them, He kept saying "I don't want to hear that word anymore"(Collusion), even during Injustice finals, if anything I think this is actually Arturo's fault for screaming "Collusion" all over Spooky's ear and escalating his anger. In the end, I still love all these people. No hate.

 

[Doombawkz]

lol doombawkz... just keep us updated on what the rules are as it seems you make everything up as you go along

That's basically it, if the match isn't clearly in either side's court and the first round hasn't concluded in either ones favor, its Spooky's right as stream owner to body them both off the screen and tell them to sod off. No one can call him out for favoritism since neither player has a clear means of victory (even with the bad MU Chris G kept it even), and he gets to decide what is and isn't presented. He booted them off in a way where they could resume elsewhere and it not be unfair in particular to either player with one gaining an unfair advantage.

 

[Immortal Kombat]

Im sure spooky will work it out with these guys if he hasnt already...

 

[BrokenAngels00]

So...Chris G has mentioned that he won't be showing up weekly anymore??

Chris G. will probably show up (nothing has said he won't). CD jr. is the only one who has openly said he won't return.

 

[G4S Silent Jay]

Spooky has casted for years now, he didn't act without reason. Even you know he has been around for enough of both players matches to tell when something is not kosher.

Oh, he has an unquestionable amount of experience with tournaments. But I will say, I also think having Arturo going on and on about colluding during character select even was only going to make it worse. I'm not saying there's no way he could be right, but I'm also not gonna deny the possibility of him being wrong on this call. People do make mistakes after all.

 

[c_brandon]

Im sure spooky will work it out with these guys if he hasnt already...

he's a hot head... he's done stuff like this before .... trying to assert some kind of dominance/control over the tournament players.... its a shame because he does run a good stream as long as he doesn't get his ego involved

 

[Sabin]

meanwhile Arturo was throwing gas on the fire the entire stream with the 'AHHHHHH COLLUSION AHHHH" BS... laughing and joking about it... then all the sudden he's serious about it? come on

I didn't think sanford was crazy enough to pick balrog. i have never seen him pick rog, ever, throught all of sf4 lifespan in tournament period.
ive been saying for a while on my twitter collusion kills the cpm.

 

[Doombawkz]

Oh, he has an unquestionable amount of experience with tournaments. But I will say, I also think having Arturo going on and on about colluding during character select even was only going to make it worse. I'm not saying there's no way he could be right, but I'm also not gonna deny the possibility of him being wrong on this call. People do make mistakes after all.

Still, he didn't kick them out of the tourney. He simply said if you are playing, it won't be on this stream. I trust his experience, and he has worked under pressure before. Art talking about collusion went on all night, yet he only acted one time, even with Chris G picking second string in UMVC3. That tells me enough.

 

[G4S Silent Jay]

I didn't think sanford was crazy enough to pick balrog. i have never seen him pick rog, ever, throught all of sf4 lifespan in tournament period.
ive been saying for a while on my twitter collusion kills the cpm.

On the flip side of that, there's a first time for everything right?
I mean, what good is practicing a new character if you aren't going to even break them out at a local to test how good you've gotten.

Honestly, I'd play my safe bet character until I got to a point where I knew I'd get payed, then start breaking out the new stuff to put it to a REAL test.

 

[Doombawkz]

-snip-

All hail the elder god. /bow

 

[BrokenAngels00]

Still, he didn't kick them out of the tourney. He simply said if you are playing, it won't be on this stream. I trust his experience, and he has worked under pressure before. Art talking about collusion went on all night, yet he only acted one time, even with Chris G picking second string in UMVC3. That tells me enough.

It was obviously getting on Spooky's nerves though, he told him to shutup a couple times about it earlier. And before his outburst he was on a mini-tangent about the severity of it.